RE: 23,000 IP addresses

["Baklarz, Ron" <BaklarR () amtrak com>]

Maybe they can use the Clinton marijuana-non-inhalation defense - I downloaded the movie but I didn't watch it!

Ron Baklarz CISSP, CISA, CISM, NSA-IAM/IEM
Chief Information Security Officer
National Passenger Railroad Corporation
10 G Street, NE  Office 6E606
Washington, DC 20002
BaklarR () Amtrak com

-----Original Message-----
From: Jon Lewis [mailto:jlewis () lewis org]
Sent: Tuesday, May 10, 2011 9:38 AM
To: Marshall Eubanks
Cc: NANOG list
Subject: Re: 23,000 IP addresses

On Tue, 10 May 2011, Marshall Eubanks wrote:

> A Federal Judge has decided to let the "U.S. Copyright Group" subpoena ISPs over 23,000 alleged downloads of some
> Sylvester Stallone movie I have never heard of; subpoenas are expected to go out this week.
>
> I thought that there might be some interest in the list of these addresses :
>
> http://www.wired.com/images_blogs/threatlevel/2011/05/expendibleipaddresses.pdf

It wasn't that good a movie, so I guess they need to squeeze every bit of
$ they can out of anyone who saw it.  I bought it a a Blockbuster
liquidation sale (having not seen it previously).

> http://www.wired.com/threatlevel/2011/05/biggest-bittorrent-case/
>
> This is turning into quite a legal racket (get order $ 3000 for sending a threatening letter); I expect to see a lot
> more of this until some sense returns to the legal system.

I wonder how things go if you challenge them in court.  This is surely a
topic for another list, but it seems to me it'd be fairly difficult to
prove unless they downloaded part of the movie from your IP and verified
that what they got really was a part of the movie.  If they're going after
any IP that connected to and downloaded from an agent of the studio (and
thats what it sounds like) who hosted the file, can they really expect to
prosecute people for downloading something they were giving away?

Wouldn't that be like the RIAA making bootleg copies of audio CDs, giving
them away, and then prosecuting anyone who accepted one?

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