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Re: Switching Email
From: Mark Andrews <marka () isc org>
Date: Sun, 13 Mar 2011 08:46:35 +1100
In message <AANLkTinvbCODXiCQHMcLoP7qG3Mh4388mRP1uEvvkRcF () mail gmail com>, Will iam Herrin writes:
On Fri, Mar 11, 2011 at 10:28 PM, Jeff Kell <jeff-kell () utc edu> wrote:On 3/11/2011 8:24 PM, Scott Weeks wrote:--- bill () herrin us wrote: From: William Herrin <bill () herrin us> No, it isn't. Contrary to mailing list best practices, NANOG unsubscribe information is stubbornly stashed in the email headers ---------------------------------------------- That's a feature. =A0Not a bug. =A0:-)Actually, it's RFC 2369 =A0:)Anyone have a list of MUAs that actually support RFC 2369 with subscription management widgets in the GUI? Surely someone has written one but I can't seem to find any documentation to that effect. On the other hand, the very first guideline at http://www.mail-abuse.com/an_listmgntgdlines.html is: "Mailing list administrators must provide [...] clear and effective instructions for unsubscribing from a mailing list." Hidden in the headers is rather less than clear or effective. Even that lightweight, the CAN-SPAM act, calls for each message to contain "clear and conspicuous notice of the opportunity [...] to decline to receive further" messages.
Headers are the ONLY way to do this so it works in all languages for all the planet. "Click here to unsubscribe" is a joke when it is written in a language you don't read. As for the CAN-SPAM act, it's also a joke. It doesn't require a pre-existing relationship where there is a chance the recipient can read the message.
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Current thread:
- Re: Switching Email, (continued)
- Re: Switching Email François Rousseau (Mar 11)
- Re: Switching Email Jeff Kell (Mar 11)
- Re: Switching Email William Herrin (Mar 12)
- Re: unsubscribing, was Switching Email John Levine (Mar 12)
- Re: unsubscribing, was Switching Email Daniel Staal (Mar 12)
- Re: unsubscribing, was Switching Email Jeff Kell (Mar 12)
- Re: Switching Email Jens Link (Mar 12)
- Re: Switching Email Valdis . Kletnieks (Mar 12)
- Re: Switching Email Max (Mar 12)
- Re: Switching Email JC Dill (Mar 12)
- Re: Switching Email Mark Andrews (Mar 12)
- Re: Switching Email William Herrin (Mar 11)
- Re: Switching Email Jens Link (Mar 12)