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Re: Weekend Gedankenexperiment - The Kill Switch
From: Mark Newton <newton () internode com au>
Date: Fri, 4 Feb 2011 05:27:52 +0000
On 04/02/2011, at 3:43 PM, Paul Ferguson wrote:
On Thu, Feb 3, 2011 at 9:09 PM, Mark Newton <newton () internode com au> wrote:On 04/02/2011, at 2:13 PM, Jay Ashworth wrote:An armed FBI special agent shows up at your facility and tells your ranking manager to "shut down the Internet".Turn off the room lights, salute, and shout, "Mission Accomplished." The FBI dude with the gun won't know the difference.No. The correct answer is that in the U.S., if the Agent in question has a valid subpoena or N.S.L., you must comply.
Subpoenas and NSLs are used to gather information, not to shut down telcos. They're just an enforceable request for records. Considering that politicians in the US have suggested that they need "kill switch" legislation passed before they can do it, and further considering that "kill switch" legislation doesn't currently exist, what lawful means do you anticipate an FBI special agent to rely on in making such a request? I'm not actually in the US. In a question arising from the Egypt demonstrations earlier this week, Australia's Communications Minister said he didn't think the law as written at the moment provided the government with the lawful ability to shut down telecommunications services. http://delimiter.com.au/2011/02/03/no-internet-kill-switch-for-australia-says-conroy/ - mark -- Mark Newton Email: newton () internode com au (W) Network Engineer Email: newton () atdot dotat org (H) Internode Pty Ltd Desk: +61-8-82282999 "Network Man" - Anagram of "Mark Newton" Mobile: +61-416-202-223
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- Re: Weekend Gedankenexperiment - The Kill Switch Nick Hilliard (Feb 07)
- Re: Weekend Gedankenexperiment - The Kill Switch Jay Ashworth (Feb 07)
- Re: Weekend Gedankenexperiment - The Kill Switch Paul Ferguson (Feb 03)
- Re: Weekend Gedankenexperiment - The Kill Switch Matthew Moyle-Croft (Feb 03)
- Re: Weekend Gedankenexperiment - The Kill Switch Paul Ferguson (Feb 03)
- Re: Weekend Gedankenexperiment - The Kill Switch Barry Greene (Feb 04)