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Re: quietly....


From: Jay Ashworth <jra () baylink com>
Date: Thu, 3 Feb 2011 17:00:55 -0500 (EST)

----- Original Message -----
From: "Valdis Kletnieks" <Valdis.Kletnieks () vt edu>

Subject: Re: quietly....
On Thu, 03 Feb 2011 15:20:25 EST, Lamar Owen said:
FTP is a in essence a peer-to-peer protocol, as both ends initiate
TCP streams. I know that's nitpicking, but it is true.

Well, it's official - the original end-to-end design principal of the
Internet is
dead, deceased, and buried. Henceforth, there will be Clients, and
there will
be Servers, and all nodes will be permanently classified as one or the
other,
with no changing or intermixing of status allowed.

Wow.  $ANONYMOUS_COMMENTER was right: end-to-end isn't an engineering principle,
it's a religion.

There's nothing inherent in v6 that breaks it, Valdis, just as there was 
nothing in v4 that broke it.  Or NAT44.  Or whatever gets deployed for NAT66.

If I, as the party responsible for an *end-user edge site*, decide that
I do not feel the need to support it *all the way through my edge router*,
that is my choice to make.  It only affects *end users under my control*,
and they're my users to make that decision for.

But please don't go on about how the parrot has ceased to be, ok?

Cheers,
-- jra


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