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Re: IPv6 mistakes, was: Re: Looking for an IPv6 naysayer...
From: "Ricky Beam" <jfbeam () gmail com>
Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2011 16:41:09 -0500
On Fri, 11 Feb 2011 12:20:59 -0500, George Bonser <gbonser () seven com> wrote:
The thing is that a very few networks account for a very large amount of traffic.
Traffic has to have two end points. Just because the content source supports IPv6 does not mean the content request will be. That's the "millions of eyeballs" (aka sheep.)
You don't seem to grasp the full picture... There are 4 parts to the equation:
1. Content Source 2. Transit network(s) 3. CPE 4. Content ConsumerFixing the source (be it Facebook, Youtube, or netflix) is rather simple in concept -- it's just one network, and doesn't require touching millions of devices. Transit networks are hit-n-miss, but is becoming less of a burden. The CPE on the other hand is a whole other mess... there are thousands (into millions) that will need firmware upgrades or complete replacement to support IPv6. (That's the cablemodems, dsl modem, Uverse RGs, FiOS ONTs, and linksys's and netgears of the world.) And *then* the device that actually wants the content has to have support. (that'd be you roku, blu-ray player, console, laptop, cellphone, picture frame, etc.)
What is the natural "churn" rate for CPE for one of the large MSOs?
How often MSO's replace CPE gear? "When it breaks" and "when it's no longer compat" I don't know about your cable company, but TW doesn't replace anything unless it's broken. I've had the same SB5100 for nearly a decade. (they did replace the SB3100/4100's a few years back, but they were no longer compatible with the network.)
AT&T DSL also doesn't replace CPE's unless they break. (or you buy a new one.) In bridge mode, any modem will do. It's when the modem is also the router (which is most cases today) that it will need attention to support IPv6. (in bridge mode, you'll have to fix whatever it's plugged into, but that's the customer's problem... off to Best Buy for an IPv6 capable D-Link.)
What portion of the MSOs have v6 capable CPE in place right now...
Unknown. I've not known any MSO to publish those numbers. Any sane MSO is handing out D3 modems even if they are still running a D2 network, so new connections (or replacements) should be D3.
you only need about five
If you're thinking of five major cable operators, they aren't each "one network" but are a group of franchises/markets running more or less independent of each other.
Yes, and I mentioned that. So once you have >50% of the potential content sources v6 capable and >50% of the potential eyeballs v6 capable, you have potentially 25% of internet traffic on v6. And that can be done with the migration of enough networks to count on your fingers.
Heh. No it can't. You grossly underestimate the work necessary to get the eyeballs v6 capable. If Comcast has to replace as little as 10% of their modems, that'd be over 1mil. That's not going to happen overnight. (or even a month.)
--Ricky
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- Re: IPv6 mistakes, was: Re: Looking for an IPv6 naysayer..., (continued)
- Re: IPv6 mistakes, was: Re: Looking for an IPv6 naysayer... Cutler James R (Feb 10)
- Re: IPv6 mistakes, was: Re: Looking for an IPv6 naysayer... Joel Jaeggli (Feb 10)
- Re: IPv6 mistakes, was: Re: Looking for an IPv6 naysayer... Matthew Kaufman (Feb 10)
- Re: IPv6 mistakes, was: Re: Looking for an IPv6 naysayer... Ricky Beam (Feb 10)
- Re: IPv6 mistakes, was: Re: Looking for an IPv6 naysayer... Jack Bates (Feb 10)
- RE: IPv6 mistakes, was: Re: Looking for an IPv6 naysayer... George Bonser (Feb 10)
- Re: IPv6 mistakes, was: Re: Looking for an IPv6 naysayer... Scott Helms (Feb 11)
- Re: IPv6 mistakes, was: Re: Looking for an IPv6 naysayer... Alexander Harrowell (Feb 11)
- Re: IPv6 mistakes, was: Re: Looking for an IPv6 naysayer... Ricky Beam (Feb 11)
- RE: IPv6 mistakes, was: Re: Looking for an IPv6 naysayer... George Bonser (Feb 11)
- Re: IPv6 mistakes, was: Re: Looking for an IPv6 naysayer... Ricky Beam (Feb 11)
- Re: IPv6 mistakes, was: Re: Looking for an IPv6 naysayer... Jack Bates (Feb 11)
- RE: IPv6 mistakes, was: Re: Looking for an IPv6 naysayer... Frank Bulk (Feb 13)
- Re: IPv6 mistakes, was: Re: Looking for an IPv6 naysayer... Jack Bates (Feb 14)
- RE: IPv6 mistakes, was: Re: Looking for an IPv6 naysayer... George Bonser (Feb 11)
- Re: IPv6 mistakes, was: Re: Looking for an IPv6 naysayer... Valdis . Kletnieks (Feb 11)
- RE: IPv6 mistakes, was: Re: Looking for an IPv6 naysayer... George Bonser (Feb 11)
- Re: IPv6 mistakes, was: Re: Looking for an IPv6 naysayer... Lamar Owen (Feb 12)
- Re: IPv6 mistakes, was: Re: Looking for an IPv6 naysayer... Doug Barton (Feb 12)
- Re: [v6z] Re: IPv6 mistakes, was: Re: Looking for an IPv6 naysayer... Scott Howard (Feb 12)
- Re: [v6z] Re: IPv6 mistakes, was: Re: Looking for an IPv6 naysayer... Jim Gettys (Feb 12)