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Re: Looking for an IPv6 naysayer...
From: Jens Link <lists () quux de>
Date: Wed, 09 Feb 2011 21:33:35 +0100
Jason Bertoch <jason () i6ix com> writes:
I'm not sure about your part of the world, but the economy has been terrible in mine. Even in a good economy, DSL margins don't afford the ability to replace your network every two years.
Same thing here in Germany. DSL providers fighting for the lowest price and customers thinking that free service is still too expensive.
In fact, spending on new gear all but halted for us over the last 6 years. While everyone is still figuring out best practices for IPv6 rollout today, how difficult would it have been to plan and purchase the exact equipment that long ago?
Yeah. But they could have made plans and demanded working equipment from the vendors.
Was the right equipment even available for a production environment?
No, an in some case it is still not available today.
Not only that, but cheap CPE equipment that supports IPv6 still hardly exists today, and all of that will need replacing.
In Europe: Fritzbox from AVM. Almost all the big vendors have their own branded version of it. And the latter versions do support IPv6 quite well.
In addition, what about IP phones and the customer that just replaced their entire phone system? Are they going to want to do that all over again by the end of the year?
You don't have to replace everything at once. But you have to start somewhere.
No, IPv6 rollout is going to be extremely expensive and will likely put a number of smaller operations out of business.
I know several smaller ISPs which offer IPV6 for years. Sure the eyeball providers can hardly beat the cheap prices of the big players. But they do offer individual and good service. Jens -- ------------------------------------------------------------------------- | Foelderichstr. 40 | 13595 Berlin, Germany | +49-151-18721264 | | http://blog.quux.de | jabber: jenslink () guug de | ------------------- | -------------------------------------------------------------------------
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- Re: Looking for an IPv6 naysayer... Jason Bertoch (Feb 09)
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- Re: Looking for an IPv6 naysayer... Franck Martin (Feb 09)
- RE: Looking for an IPv6 naysayer... George Bonser (Feb 09)
- Re: Looking for an IPv6 naysayer... Iljitsch van Beijnum (Feb 09)
- Re: Looking for an IPv6 naysayer... Jens Link (Feb 09)
- RE: Looking for an IPv6 naysayer... George Bonser (Feb 09)
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