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Re: Level 3 Communications Issues Statement Concerning Comcast'sActions
From: Jack Bates <jbates () brightok net>
Date: Tue, 30 Nov 2010 10:39:43 -0600
On 11/30/2010 10:23 AM, Rettke, Brian wrote:
I think we need to start with education at every level. Watching 1-2 movies a day, some additional streaming content, using the VoIP phone whenever, and surfing the web is normal behavior. Running occasional P2P is normal behavior.
What are you using to determine normal? Here's the deal. The more bandwidth the average household has, the more the bandwidth content providers will push.
When we were mostly dialup, heavy flash/video/content was a rarity. Now that people have much higher speeds, making dialup friendly pages is a rarity.
You'd never leave the water running all day, even though if you rent it probably wouldn't cost you any more (landlord usually pays for water). It's not simply a question of "what can I get," it's a question of being a good internet citizen. There will never be a network so robust that everyone in the world could go full throttle all the time at the same time, so we have to share.
While I agree with the sentiment, my household is way over your so-called normal. My son falls asleep with a video stream running (no different than falling asleep with tv going, except his favorite stream never stops streaming). My wife usually falls asleep with the wii streaming something on netflix (which does stop streaming eventually). During an average day, my son, wife, mother-in-law, and myself probably watch a combined total of 12 hours of video streaming (not uncommon for 3 streams to run simultaneously to 1 computer and 2 tv's and many are auto detecting and bumping to HD with higher bandwidth usage as content providers improve their offerings).
Then there's the MMO's, the iso downloads, the video conferencing to relatives all over the world. We aren't abusive users. We don't leave p2p seeding applications 24/7/365. We usually try not to leave streams running when we aren't there (though like any television, sometimes it does get left on).
Jack (Internet TV only for 2 years now)
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- Re: Level 3 Communications Issues Statement Concerning Comcast'sActions, (continued)
- Re: Level 3 Communications Issues Statement Concerning Comcast'sActions Cameron Byrne (Nov 30)
- Re: Level 3 Communications Issues Statement Concerning Comcast'sActions William Herrin (Nov 29)
- Re: Level 3 Communications Issues Statement Concerning Comcast'sActions William Warren (Nov 30)
- Re: Level 3 Communications Issues Statement Concerning Comcast'sActions William Herrin (Nov 30)
- Re: Level 3 Communications Issues Statement Concerning Comcast'sActions Brielle Bruns (Nov 30)
- Re: Level 3 Communications Issues Statement Concerning Comcast'sActions Owen DeLong (Nov 30)
- Re: Level 3 Communications Issues Statement Concerning Comcast'sActions Jeffrey Lyon (Nov 30)
- Re: Level 3 Communications Issues Statement Concerning Comcast'sActions William Herrin (Nov 30)
- Re: wireless data caps [was: Level 3 Communications Issues Statement Concerning Comcast'sActions] Randy McAnally (Nov 30)
- RE: Level 3 Communications Issues Statement Concerning Comcast'sActions Rettke, Brian (Nov 30)
- Re: Level 3 Communications Issues Statement Concerning Comcast'sActions Jack Bates (Nov 30)
- RE: Level 3 Communications Issues Statement ConcerningComcast'sActions Ryan Finnesey (Nov 30)
- Re: Level 3 Communications Issues Statement ConcerningComcast'sActions Jared Mauch (Nov 30)
- Re: Level 3 Communications Issues Statement Concerning Comcast'sActions Seth Mattinen (Nov 29)
- RE: Level 3 Communications Issues Statement Concerning Comcast'sActions George Bonser (Nov 29)
- RE: Level 3 Communications Issues Statement Concerning Comcast'sActions Ben Butler (Nov 29)
- Re: Level 3 Communications Issues Statement Concerning Comcast'sActions William Herrin (Nov 29)
- RE: Level 3 Communications Issues Statement ConcerningComcast'sActions George Bonser (Nov 29)
- RE: Level 3 Communications Issues Statement ConcerningComcast'sActions George Bonser (Nov 29)