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Re: SORBS on autopilot?
From: Brian Keefer <chort () smtps net>
Date: Wed, 13 Jan 2010 09:14:22 -0800
On Jan 12, 2010, at 1:09 PM, Rich Kulawiec wrote:
On Tue, Jan 12, 2010 at 10:48:31AM -0800, Brian Keefer wrote:I wouldn't say that necessarily accurate. I could be considered part of the "anti-spam crowd", seeing as that's my line of work.I think DULs are a really dumb way to block spam. Making a binary decision off of information that's wrong as often as it's right it's a great way to create collateral damage and just generally cause more headaches for everyone.I've done a little bit of work in the anti-spam area as well (starting around 1983) and I can tell you that your viewpoint about DULs is roughly half a decade out of date.
Well not to drag this into a meta-thread, but you're not the only one with experience. I've been doing this for well over a decade too, so have a great many of my colleagues, not only at my employer, but at competing companies. I can tell you that your view on this is far from universal. Parties who believe blanket blocking of IP space (sounds very 1999 to me, I was there, I did that stuff) is the best thing ever tend to not have access to high-quality reputation services and/or content-based analysis. See Joel Snyder's comments. BTW I'm not talking about anything Open Source. There are lots of ways to block a lot of spam, but most of the perceived "low-cost" ways block a non-trivial amount of wanted mail. Call it whatever you like, the fact remains that most organizations that value e-mail as a communication medium do care about missing those wanted messages. If it was as simple as blocking dynamic IP pools and spammy .TLDs, organizations would be doing that instead of paying $$$ for sophisticated services & software. That's the last I'll say on blanketing vs. intelligent blocking for this thread. PS We agree on quite a few subjects, just not this one. -- bk
Current thread:
- Re: SORBS on autopilot?, (continued)
- Re: SORBS on autopilot? Larry Smith (Jan 11)
- Re: SORBS on autopilot? Ken Chase (Jan 11)
- Re: SORBS on autopilot? Jon Lewis (Jan 11)
- Re: SORBS on autopilot? Jed Smith (Jan 12)
- Re: SORBS on autopilot? Jon Lewis (Jan 12)
- Re: SORBS on autopilot? Valdis . Kletnieks (Jan 12)
- Re: SORBS on autopilot? Steven Champeon (Jan 12)
- Re: SORBS on autopilot? Jed Smith (Jan 12)
- Re: SORBS on autopilot? Brian Keefer (Jan 12)
- Re: SORBS on autopilot? Rich Kulawiec (Jan 12)
- Re: SORBS on autopilot? Brian Keefer (Jan 13)
- Re: SORBS on autopilot? Jed Smith (Jan 12)
- Re: SORBS on autopilot? JC Dill (Jan 12)
- Re: SORBS on autopilot? Ricky Beam (Jan 14)
- Re: SORBS on autopilot? Larry Smith (Jan 11)
- Re: SORBS on autopilot? Steven Champeon (Jan 12)
- Re: SORBS on autopilot? Dave Martin (Jan 12)
- Re: SORBS on autopilot? Jed Smith (Jan 12)
- Re: SORBS on autopilot? Michael Thomas (Jan 12)
- Re: SORBS on autopilot? Patrick W. Gilmore (Jan 12)
- Re: SORBS on autopilot? Michael Thomas (Jan 12)
- Re: Identifying residential CPE IP addresses? (was: SORBS on autopilot?) Jed Smith (Jan 12)
- Re: Identifying residential CPE IP addresses? (was: SORBS on autopilot?) Steven Champeon (Jan 12)