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Re: ARIN IP6 policy for those with legacy IP4 Space
From: William Herrin <bill () herrin us>
Date: Thu, 8 Apr 2010 15:14:50 -0400
On Thu, Apr 8, 2010 at 2:37 PM, <bmanning () vacation karoshi com> wrote:
On Thu, Apr 08, 2010 at 02:22:29PM -0400, William Herrin wrote:On Thu, Apr 8, 2010 at 1:49 PM, Mr. James W. LaferriereTry that fee while trying to make a living in a depressed econimic region JUST for an ipv4 /24 Assignment . I don't make enough to cover thatNot much sympathy for folks crying the blues about the cost of an address assignment that they're going to turn around and announce into the DFZ...assuming facts not in evidence there ... but ok.
Hi Bill, If you're not planning to announce a route into the DFZ, we have RFC1918 or IPv6's ULA, address pools that are 100% and completely free for your use.
ARIN has implemented a structure to facilitate IPv4 address transfers should an open market come to exist. Between an address market and the ever more creative use of NAT, it should be possible for IPv4 addressing to continue after free pool depletion as a zero-sum game. Exactly how long is a matter of debate with speculation ranging from months to decades.cool. I've used the transfer policy with limited success. I guess the interesting thing in your statement (and I suspect a trip to the ARIN NRPM is in order) is "should an open market come into existence" ... how do you see that happening?
eBay? Given a demand and a supply, markets don't traditionally need a whole lot of help to come into being.
but more to my point. If I'm using a single /24 out of my /20 (using an antiquated example) - would there be: ) interest in the other 15 /24s ) how would that interest be expressed (so I would know about it) ) complaints from the folks running w/o default about the new prefixes on offer? **
The basic plan (ARIN NRPM section 8.3) is: 1. Request and be approved for addresses from ARIN (even though ARIN won't have any addresses to give). 2. Find (pay) someone who has ARIN-managed addresses that they're willing to give up in the quantity you want. 3. Current holder releases addresses to ARIN in the requested (paid) quantity with instructions to provide those addresses to the already-authorized recipient (in #1). 4. ARIN updates the registration accordingly. On Thu, Apr 8, 2010 at 2:47 PM, Dorn Hetzel <dhetzel () gmail com> wrote:
If there was an automatic website that just handed out up to a /40 on demand, and charged a one-time fee of $100, I don't think the space would ever be exhausted, there isn't enough money.
137 billion prefixes would crush the DFZ routers of course, but as we all know the routing table isn't ARIN's lookout. :-P On Thu, Apr 8, 2010 at 2:55 PM, Owen DeLong <owen () delong com> wrote:
ARIN's unilateral right under the LRSA to reclaim my addresses in the event of a dispute bugs me a tad, as does similar verbiage sprinkled throughout.Let's clarify here, however... Nothing guarantees you that ARIN can not do so if you don't have any contract with them.
Owen, Your uneducated YANAL opinion about the governing law in the matter is duly noted and filed beside my own differing viewpoint. Until and unless ARIN attempts to forcibly reclaim a block of legacy addresses from its legacy holder, the question remains theoretical.
The point being that while I think continuing to provide a free ride to IPv4 legacy holders is a good idea, there is no reason to continue that concept into the IPv6 world.
The reason is that it could be structured to increase the rate of IPv6 deployment, to the benefit of all. To what degree that would achieve value for cost is debatable, but it certainly qualifies as more than "no reason." Regards, Bill Herrin -- William D. Herrin ................ herrin () dirtside com bill () herrin us 3005 Crane Dr. ...................... Web: <http://bill.herrin.us/> Falls Church, VA 22042-3004
Current thread:
- Re: ARIN IP6 policy for those with legacy IP4 Space, (continued)
- Re: ARIN IP6 policy for those with legacy IP4 Space Owen DeLong (Apr 09)
- RE: ARIN IP6 policy for those with legacy IP4 Space Lee Howard (Apr 07)
- RE: ARIN IP6 policy for those with legacy IP4 Space Deepak Jain (Apr 07)
- Re: ARIN IP6 policy for those with legacy IP4 Space John Palmer (NANOG Acct) (Apr 07)
- Re: ARIN IP6 policy for those with legacy IP4 Space Randy Bush (Apr 07)
- Re: ARIN IP6 policy for those with legacy IP4 Space Owen DeLong (Apr 07)
- Re: ARIN IP6 policy for those with legacy IP4 Space Stephen Sprunk (Apr 08)
- Re: ARIN IP6 policy for those with legacy IP4 Space Mr. James W. Laferriere (Apr 08)
- Re: ARIN IP6 policy for those with legacy IP4 Space William Herrin (Apr 08)
- Re: ARIN IP6 policy for those with legacy IP4 Space bmanning (Apr 08)
- Re: ARIN IP6 policy for those with legacy IP4 Space William Herrin (Apr 08)
- Behold - the Address-Yenta! bmanning (Apr 08)
- Re: Behold - the Address-Yenta! David Conrad (Apr 08)
- Re: Behold - the Address-Yenta! bmanning (Apr 08)
- Re: Behold - the Address-Yenta! John Curran (Apr 08)
- Re: Behold - the Address-Yenta! David Conrad (Apr 08)
- Re: Behold - the Address-Yenta! John Curran (Apr 08)
- Re: Behold - the Address-Yenta! William Allen Simpson (Apr 09)
- Re: Behold - the Address-Yenta! Randy Bush (Apr 09)
- Re: Behold - the Address-Yenta! John Curran (Apr 09)
- Re: Behold - the Address-Yenta! Randy Bush (Apr 09)