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Re: Interesting Point of view - Russian police and RIPE accused of aiding RBN
From: Jeffrey Lyon <jeffrey.lyon () blacklotus net>
Date: Sat, 24 Oct 2009 14:28:41 -0400
The decision to filter networks should remain with the collective network operators. Everyone, even criminals, has a "right" to distribute content but it's up to each operator to decide if that content will be allowed to transit their network. Personally, if an entire /22 does not have a single legitimate resource on it in the case of 91.202.60.0/22 *and* is widely suspected of being owned/operated by a criminal enterprise then filtering makes sense. Historically it takes a few pioneers to present a case for filtering specific networks before larger networks will begin to see the light. Jeff On Sat, Oct 24, 2009 at 9:59 AM, Daniel Karrenberg <daniel.karrenberg () ripe net> wrote:
On 24.10 03:05, Paul Bosworth wrote:I think the larger point is that ripe turned a blind eye to an internationally recognized criminal network.That may be a point but not a convincing one. Imagine the outcry on this list if ARIN were to deny some organisation address space or ASNs just because they are "internationally recognised" criminals. Wouldn't we demand a little more due process? Especially since the alternatives are not as easy as walking to the next fastfood joint. The RIPE NCC operates in a region where whole sovereign states call each other criminals or worse on a daily basis. The only tenable position for each RIR is to strictly apply the policies developed in its bottom-up self-regulatory process. Doing anything else would require intervention via a proper legal process, e.g. a *judge* with appropriate jurisdiction telling the RIR that its actions are unlawful. Frustration is a bad advisor when trying to stop crime, unrelenting application of due process is the only way ... frustrating as it may be. Daniel Karrenberg Chief Scientist RIPE NCC Speaking only for himself as is customary here. PS: This is old news, compare http://www.h-online.com/security/news/item/Security-expert-calls-for-IP-address-ranges-of-criminal-providers-to-be-sent-direct-to-the-police-737905.html And see the press release that Marco pointed out. Daniel
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