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Re: Dutch ISPs to collaborate and take responsibility for bottedclients
From: Owen DeLong <owen () delong com>
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 2009 08:56:48 -0700
On Oct 6, 2009, at 1:20 AM, Eugeniu Patrascu wrote:
Gadi Evron wrote:I think the need for someone being able to call 911 from their VoIP outweighs your right to claim that they should be disconnected from the Internet.Barton F Bruce wrote:Stopping the abuse is fine, but cutting service to the point that a family using VOIP only for their phone service can't call 911 and several children burn to death could bring all sorts of undesirable regulation let alone thebad press and legal expenses.While a legitimate concern it's also a red herring, as it's a technical problem looking for a technical solution.Gadi.Besides, if that provider wants to help out, he might setup a captive portal or something with information regarding tools to clean their computer.
I disagree... Distributed Denials of Service have gotten to the point where they can actually endanger lives. Think about this... In order to be able to make your 911 VOIP call, the VOIP provider has to be able to process your call. The system that is getting disconnected because it is an active source of abuse may be one of many participating in a DOS against someone elses 911 VOIP provider. Removing them from the internet could be saving more lives than it risks.
Someone else pointed out that if the system in question has been botted/owned/pwn3d/whatever you want to call it, then, you can't guarantee it would make the 911 call correctly anyway.
Owen
Current thread:
- Re: Dutch ISPs to collaborate and take responsibility for botted clients, (continued)
- Re: Dutch ISPs to collaborate and take responsibility for botted clients Rich Kulawiec (Oct 04)
- Re: Dutch ISPs to collaborate and take responsibility for bottedclients Barton F Bruce (Oct 04)
- Re: Dutch ISPs to collaborate and take responsibility for bottedclients Gadi Evron (Oct 04)
- Re: Dutch ISPs to collaborate and take responsibility for bottedclients Barry Shein (Oct 05)
- Re: Dutch ISPs to collaborate and take responsibility for bottedclients Owen DeLong (Oct 05)
- Re: Dutch ISPs to collaborate and take responsibility for bottedclients Wayne E. Bouchard (Oct 05)
- Re: Dutch ISPs to collaborate and take responsibility for bottedclients Eugeniu Patrascu (Oct 06)
- Re: Dutch ISPs to collaborate and take responsibility for bottedclients Gadi Evron (Oct 06)
- RE: Dutch ISPs to collaborate and take responsibilityfor bottedclients Barry Raveendran Greene (Oct 06)
- RE: Dutch ISPs to collaborate and take responsibility for bottedclients lee (Oct 06)
- Re: Dutch ISPs to collaborate and take responsibility for bottedclients Owen DeLong (Oct 06)
- Re: Dutch ISPs to collaborate and take responsibility for bottedclients mark [at] edgewire (Oct 06)
- Up Next: Quarantine Phishing (Was: Dutch ISPs to collaborate and take responsibility for bottedclients) Jeroen Massar (Oct 06)
- Re: Up Next: Quarantine Phishing (Was: Dutch ISPs to collaborate and take responsibility for bottedclients) Sean Donelan (Oct 07)
- Re: Dutch ISPs to collaborate and take responsibility for bottedclients Barry Shein (Oct 06)
- Re: Dutch ISPs to collaborate and take responsibility for bottedclients Peter Beckman (Oct 08)
- Re: Dutch ISPs to collaborate and take responsibility Joe Greco (Oct 06)
- Re: Dutch ISPs to collaborate and take responsibility Alexander Harrowell (Oct 07)
- Re: Dutch ISPs to collaborate and take responsibility Dave Temkin (Oct 07)
- Re: Dutch ISPs to collaborate and take responsibility Owen DeLong (Oct 07)
- Re: Dutch ISPs to collaborate and take responsibility Joe Greco (Oct 07)