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Re: Resilience - How many BGP providers


From: Steve Gibbard <scg () gibbard org>
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 2009 11:18:20 -0800 (PST)

The thing to remember about redundancy is that it's a statistical game rather than a magic formula.

You can be reasonably sure that any single component will go down at some point. Nothing works perfectly. Few things last forever.

If you have two fairly reliable components, and if they're suffciently isolated from eachother that they won't be broken by the same event, it's much less likely that they'll both break at the same time. That means that if one breaks, and you're not unlucky, you'll have time to fix it before the other breaks.

If you have three components, the chances of all three being broken at once are even less than the chances of two of them being broken at once. With four, you're even safer, and so on and so forth. But once you get beyond two, you hit a point of diminishing returns pretty quickly.

That doesn't mean you should always do two of any given component. Some things may be so important that you're not willing to take that level of risk and are willing to spend significantly more money to get a small amount more protection. Some things may be sufficiently unimportant that you're willing to deal with occasional outages, and you can get by without a spare (few people -- with obvious exceptions who we don't need to hear about right now -- have fully redundant home connectivity, for instance). It's just a matter of understanding the risks, and doing the cost-benefit analysis to determine how much protection you need and how much you're willing to pay for it.

-Steve

On Wed, 11 Nov 2009, adel () baklawasecrets com wrote:



Hi,

After recent discussions on the list, I've been thinking about the affects
of multiple BGP feeds to the overall resilience of Internet connectivity
for my organisation.  So originally when I looked at the design
proposals, there was a provision in there for four connections with the
same Internet provider.  Thinking about it and with the valuable input of
members on this list, it was obvious that multiple connections from the
same provider defeated the aim of providing resilience.

So having come to the decision to use two providers and BGP peer with
both, I'm wondering how much more resilience I would get by peering
with more than two providers.  So will it significantly increase my
resilience by peering with three providers for example, as both of the
upstreams I choose will be multihomed to other providers.  Especially as
I am only looking at peering out of the UK.

Hope the above makes sense.

Adel



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