Re: Where to buy Internet IP addresses

[Youssef Ghorbal <youssef.ghorbal () gmail com>]

On Mon, May 4, 2009 at 11:57 PM,  <Charles () thewybles com> wrote:
> This has been a fascinating theoritcal discussion.. how do existing providers hand out space?
>
> Hurricane electric (via its tunnel service) hands out a /64 by default and a /48 is a click away.
>
> How do other providers handle it? I'm in the us and only have native v4 connectivity :(
>
> Do the various traditional last mile providers (sprint/Verizon/att/patch etc ) offer it for t1 and better? If they do 
> then what do they hand out by default, what's available, at what price point and what's the upgrade path? Is it one 
> click like he?
>
> No provider I have talked to offers it for residential connectivity in the united states.
> What does free.fr do?

Free does 6rd and allocate a /64 per customer.
Here is a presentation how they do this :
http://www.ripe.net/ripe/meetings/ripe-58/content/presentations/ipv6-free.pdf

> If there is this level of confusion and disagreement around addressing schemes then will it ever be offered to 
> residences over traditional last mile loops?
>
>
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>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Stephen Sprunk <stephen () sprunk org>
>
> Date: Mon, 04 May 2009 16:36:16
> To: Bill Stewart<nonobvious () gmail com>
> Cc: north American Noise and Off-topic Gripes<nanog () merit edu>; Joe Greco<jgreco () ns sol net>
> Subject: Re: Where to buy Internet IP addresses
>
>
> Bill Stewart wrote:
> > When I came back, I found this ugly EUI-64 thing instead, so not only was autoconfiguration much uglier, but you 
> > needed a /56 instead of a /64 if you were going to subnet.
>
> It's supposed to be a /48 per customer, on the assumption that 16 bits
> of subnet information is sufficient for virtually anyone; exceptions
> should be rare enough that they can be handled as special cases.
>
> The /56 monstrosity came about because a US cable company wanted to
> assign a prefix to every home they passed, regardless of whether it
> contained a customer, so that they'd never need to renumber anything
> ever again.  However, that would require they get more than the /32
> minimum allocation, and ARIN policy doesn't allow _potential_ customers
> as a justification for getting a larger allocation, so they had to
> shrink the per-customer prefix down to a /56 to fit them all into a
> single /32.  If all those assignments were to _real_ customers, they
> could have gotten a /24 and given each customer a /48 as expected.  And,
> after that, many folks who can't wrap their heads around the size of the
> IPv6 address space appear to be obsessed with doing the same in other
> cases where even that weak justification doesn't apply...
>
> > Does anybody know why anybody thought it was a good idea to put the extra bits in the middle, or for IPv6 to adopt 
> > them?
>
> Why the switch from EUI-48 to EUI-64?  Someone in the IEEE got worried
> about running short of MAC (er, EUI-48) addresses at some point in the
> future, so they inserted 16 bits in the middle (after the OUI) to form
> an EUI-64 and are now "discouraging" new uses of EUI-48.  The IETF
> decided to follow the IEEE's guidance and switch IPv6 autoconfig from
> EUI-48 to EUI-64, but FireWire is the only significant user of EUI-64
> addresses to date; if you're using a link layer with EUI-48 addresses
> (e.g. Ethernet), an extra 16 bits (FFFE) get stuffed in the middle to
> transform it into the EUI-64 that IPv6 expects.
>
> S
>
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