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RE: Leap second tonight
From: Deepak Jain <deepak () ai net>
Date: Wed, 18 Mar 2009 15:31:52 -0400
Not being a time geek, since Cisco's were called out for being wild jitter-mongers... how much jitter are we talking about? Clock is synchronized, stratum 2, xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx nominal freq is 250.0000 Hz, actual freq is 249.9989 Hz, precision is2**18reference time is CD6A7CD4.45A9BB00 (19:47:32.272 UTC Tue Mar 172009)clock offset is 2.0581 msec, root delay is 29.62 msec root dispersion is 6.81 msec, peer dispersion is 3.30 msec Are we talking about +/- 30 seconds, or a problem bounded by +/- 30msec? I've actually been gathering some statistics on this using Munin (http://munin.projects.linpro.no/) on my linux server. There's currently 10 ntp servers being monitored and one of them is a 7600- series Cisco, which is handling quite a bit of traffic (CPU load around 20%). Here are the Munin graphs for it http://dx.fi/alt/ntp/7600.png (times in Finnish time, UTC+2). In comparison, here are the same graphs for time1.mikes.fi (a stratum-2 clock provided by the Finnish Centre for metrology and accreditation) http://dx.fi/alt/ntp/time1.mikes.fi.png and for Netnods stratum-1 clock in Stockholm http://dx.fi/alt/ntp/ntp1.sth.netnod.se.png
In an NTP scenario, where each device is keeping its own time, and being "disciplined" by several others... don't these spikes of jitter get wiped away -- especially when multiple NTP sources are used? Perhaps I'm mistaken, but I thought that was the point of trying to keep precise time via an imprecise network [the jitter could easily be congestion in the case of long haul links] was that this can be mathematically worked out to a level of precision. Is a Cisco device lying when it says it has 2^18th precision? Are we just comparing and stating that between each sample from any one NTP device we might see wildly differently levels of accuracy/precision and the truly diligent time keeper will discipline his clocks with multiple readings over time? Thanks, Deepak
Current thread:
- Re: Leap second tonight Ask Bjørn Hansen (Mar 16)
- Re: Leap second tonight jamie rishaw (Mar 17)
- Re: Leap second tonight Kevin Oberman (Mar 17)
- Re: Leap second tonight Valdis . Kletnieks (Mar 17)
- Re: Leap second tonight Peter Beckman (Mar 17)
- RE: Leap second tonight Deepak Jain (Mar 17)
- Re: Leap second tonight Kevin Oberman (Mar 17)
- RE: Leap second tonight Tero Toikkanen (Mar 18)
- RE: Leap second tonight Deepak Jain (Mar 18)
- Re: Leap second tonight Valdis . Kletnieks (Mar 17)