Re: Request for contact and procedure information

[Christopher Morrow <morrowc.lists () gmail com>]

On Fri, Jul 10, 2009 at 11:06 PM, Jeffrey
Lyon<jeffrey.lyon () blacklotus net> wrote:
> I don't know of any internet access services that provide a SLA against DDoS.

vzb/mci/uunet used to, there is (I believe) still a 'response' SLA,
and there was an SLA for their dos-mitigation service as well...likely
somewhere off: http://www.verizonbusiness.com/us/products/security/managed/#services-dos

I was actually talking about an SLA for his link though, not for
dos-mitigation services. There used to be, and still is in some
networks, the thought that consumer grade services were essentially
'un-SLA''d, while 'business class' services had some form of 'uptime'
SLA associated with them.

So, folks that telework often subscribe to 'business dsl' in order to
get more guaranteed availabilty, lack of port filtering, static-ips,
etc.

-Chris

> Jeff
>
> On Fri, Jul 10, 2009 at 10:57 PM, Christopher
> Morrow<morrowc.lists () gmail com> wrote:
> > On Fri, Jul 10, 2009 at 6:38 PM, Jeffrey
> > Lyon<jeffrey.lyon () blacklotus net> wrote:
> > > Fact: Filtering TCP/80 attacks is a 3 to 4 figure job, sometimes even 5 figure.
> >
> > I was actually being serious, it's not, it doesn't have to, and in the
> > case that started this discussion it probably would have been
> > sufficient to just drop tcp/80 to his link since I would be it's
> > 'business dsl' so he gets an 'SLA' not so he can run a business
> > critical web service there.
> >
> > There are services you can buy that are a lot more expensive, but why
> > would you? if there are options that are more relevant and cheaper...
> > and in line with what you want. You can certainly pay more if you want
> > to, I'm not sure that's the smart choice though.
> >
> > -Chris
> >
> > > On Fri, Jul 10, 2009 at 6:16 PM, Christopher
> > > Morrow<morrowc.lists () gmail com> wrote:
> > > > On Fri, Jul 10, 2009 at 5:49 PM, Luan Nguyen<luan () netcraftsmen net> wrote:
> > > > > Filter like in using the Cisco Guard of sort, to send the good traffic back
> > > > > to the customers? And that service is <cough>free through vzb?</cough>
> > > >
> > > > as in: "find some way to keep the customer alive and kicking"
> > > >
> > > > which might be:
> > > > 1) null route bad destination if no one cares about it
> > > > 2) acl the traffic upstream if it's not to something you care about
> > > > (but need the ip to work)
> > > > 3) guard/mitigate traffic and redeliver (which has some limitations or did)
> > > >
> > > > all of that is free to 701 customers, yes. if you have to get to step3
> > > > more than a few times I'm sure sales will want you to pay, since that
> > > > part isn't 'free' to the company.
> > > >
> > > > point being, dropping tcp/80 syn traffic isn't hard, and it's
> > > > routinely done at customer request. (or was when I was doing it there)
> > > >
> > > > -chris
> > > >
> > > > ----------------------------------
> > > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > > From: Christopher Morrow [mailto:morrowc.lists () gmail com]
> > > > > Sent: Friday, July 10, 2009 5:40 PM
> > > > > To: Jeffrey Lyon
> > > > > Cc: nanog () nanog org; Charles Wyble
> > > > > Subject: Re: Request for contact and procedure information
> > > > >
> > > > > On Fri, Jul 10, 2009 at 5:12 PM, Jeffrey
> > > > > Lyon<jeffrey.lyon () blacklotus net> wrote:
> > > > > > Would what? Null route the IP? I'm talking about actually filtering the
> > > > > > attack.
> > > > >
> > > > > as was I. (talking about filtering the attack)
> > > > >
> > > > > > On Jul 10, 2009 5:10 PM, "Christopher Morrow" <morrowc.lists () gmail com>
> > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > On Fri, Jul 10, 2009 at 2:11 AM, Jeffrey Lyon<jeffrey.lyon () blacklotus net>
> > > > > > wrote: > All, > > There a...
> > > > > >
> > > > > > <cough>uunet/vzb would/will</cough>
> > > > > >
> > > > > > (for free most times even)
> > >
> > >
> > >
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>
>
>
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