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RE: Restrictions on Ethernet L2 circuits?
From: "George Bonser" <gbonser () seven com>
Date: Thu, 31 Dec 2009 12:06:36 -0800
-----Original Message----- From: Simon Leinen Sent: Thursday, December 31, 2009 8:29 AM Subject: Re: Restrictions on Ethernet L2 circuits?
Should business customers expect to be able to connect several LANs through an Ethernet L2 ciruit and build a layer 2 network spanning several locations?At least for our customers, that is indeed important. The most
popular
application here is for a customer to connect a remote location to their campus network, and that want to (at least be able to) use any of
their
existing VLANs at the remote site.
That is what I currently expect from a layer 2 solution. One that does not allow VLAN tagging across the span is of much less utility.
Or should the service provider implement port security and limit the number of MAC addresses on the access ports, forcing the customer to connect a router in both ends and segment their network?That would make the service less attractive, and also more complex to set up and maintain. For point-to-point service, there is really no reason for the network to care about customers' MAC addresses, VLAN tags and such. As you said, EoMPLS doesn't care. (Ethernet over L2TPv3 shouldn't care either. If I had cost-effective edge routers that did L2TPv3 encapsulation/decapsulation at line rate, I'd switch off MPLS
in
our core tomorrow.)
I don't want my provider enforcing such things on me provided it doesn't blow up their network. If I break my stuff, I expect to own all the pieces. I don't want them to nanny me and enforce policy that they determine is "for my own good" but are of no consequence in maintaining their own network. I want the pipe to be basically a long ethernet cable. My traffic should be sufficiently isolated as not to cause a problem in their network no matter what I do.
Also, do you see a demand for multi-point layer 2 networks
(requiring
VPLS), or are point-to-point layer 2 circuits sufficient to meet market demand?That's a big question for us right now... we're not sure yet. I'd
like
to hear others' opinions on this.
I once had such a solution in a network and it worked quite well. It was the (now defunct) Yipes! NAN (National Area Network) product. We used it for OSPF area 0 between all of our US facilities (several offices and two production colos). It worked quite well for the amount of traffic that went between facilities and it was stable for the approx. two years we had it deployed. In that case we had only a single VLAN that acted as a flat layer2 network that spanned the country with a pair of layer 2/3 switches at each office acting as routers for each facility area. This solution turned out to be cheaper and more efficient than running dedicated links to each facility and getting everything meshed over point-to-point circuts. If someone else already has a nationwide mesh, it probably makes good sense to lease some of that capacity than to try and build your own.
Current thread:
- Restrictions on Ethernet L2 circuits? Endresen Even (Dec 31)
- Re: Restrictions on Ethernet L2 circuits? Nils Kolstein (Dec 31)
- Re: Restrictions on Ethernet L2 circuits? Simon Leinen (Dec 31)
- Re: Restrictions on Ethernet L2 circuits? sthaug (Dec 31)
- RE: Restrictions on Ethernet L2 circuits? George Bonser (Dec 31)
- Re: Restrictions on Ethernet L2 circuits? Shane Ronan (Dec 31)
- RE: Restrictions on Ethernet L2 circuits? George Bonser (Dec 31)
- Re: Restrictions on Ethernet L2 circuits? Shane Ronan (Dec 31)
- RE: Restrictions on Ethernet L2 circuits? George Bonser (Dec 31)