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Re: Router Choice
From: isabel dias <isabeldias1 () yahoo com>
Date: Mon, 17 Nov 2008 11:07:05 -0800 (PST)
Raymondo ..... I guess you are bringing everyone together on the achieving resilience and "efficient" Load Balancing just in case the one path is temporarly unavailable ...... :-) *****commit/rollback CISCO IOS save a configuration to the NVRAM with the copy running-config startup -config command http://www-europe.cisco.com/en/US/docs/switches/wan/mgx/mgx_8850/software/mgx_r3/rpm/rpm_r1.1/configuration/guide/appc.html JUNIPER JUNOS You just have to send you syslog messages to /var/log/messages to a central point of management and avoid /dev/null :-) The best practice would be to follow the same in all Cisco devices Catos or IOS based ones. And again that is why management tools have their relevance and have cron jobs in place to keep the latest changes -accounting included) but yes you are right we can always "grep" something out and find what has changed. The commit concept is an interesting one and bring us back to the way they have compiled and allowed us "users" to fiddle around w/ the OS. Some versions not mentioned here require the word "comit" to be typed after a stop/start of some services-PID. Let us say a gracefull reestart of the process ...... And yes the "old batle" ethernet vs ATM interfaces ....gosh ATM just had a "credit crunch" for the past years and ETHERNET standard knocked it down big time! Yes, the argument still standands ....if we want to take this further to the QoS/reliability ....I bet a lot of consultants would love an payed argument on this :-) As far as I am aware there are still a few interopability issues going on w/ some vendors and Eth-IEEE P802.3ba 40Gb/s, specially w/ having features available such as 802.1q/vlans etc ...but the card is there and available for everyone to work on .... And the world is moving to the 100 Gb Eth .....and so does IPv4 to IPv6. .//ID --- On Mon, 11/17/08, Raymond Macharia <rmacharia () gmail com> wrote:
From: Raymond Macharia <rmacharia () gmail com> Subject: Re: Router Choice To: nanog () nanog org Date: Monday, November 17, 2008, 7:20 PM Hello,I appreciate all your feedback. I have also recieved more research material from independent research institutes that give the products thumbs up. Best regards Raymond On Fri, Nov 14, 2008 at 2:30 PM, Paul Wall <pauldotwall () gmail com> wrote:Whoa, excessive use of "!"...this isn'tIOS ICMP output.For those of you who want to have a chuckle, grep theword "exit" onany of these fine 7750/7450 router configurations.Seeing a routerconfiguration that contains 10,000+ instances of theword "exit" makesme recall the fine book FINAL EXIT. Seems like a poormans version ofnesting with { }'s in JUNOS. Some of my gripes on the Timetra (whens the last timeAlcatel builtsomething themselves instead of acquire it?) box arethat it really iscatered to installs where Alcatel is running thedesign side of thenetwork as well. The CLI is somewhat non-intuitive forIOS, IOS-XR orJUNOS operations staff. Here are some examples: Here in 2008, why are people buying boxes that do notsupportcandidate configuration or commit/rollback? The onlything you can"commit" on the box is routing policychanges. I thought this was aservice provider box? For years (this might not be the case anymore), anytime you attemptedto use the short-form of the "show" commandby typing "sh", youreceived a syntax error. This is because there weretwo commands thatbegan with sh: show and shell. The problem is that theshell commandprompts you for a password that only Alcatel knows(and won't sharewith any customers that I'm aware of). So, if yourown customers cantrun the command, why give users a headache? Its a router, why do I have to do "show routerroute" to see a routingtable entry? For years, you also had to suffix thecommand "exact" onthe end of every command as well. Pricing wise...they're way above other boxes thatyou can findelsewhere that can do the jobs you need. Both theCisco 7600 and theJuniper MX line both have a way better CLI and employa knowledgeablestaff of seasoned former service provider engineers.Alcatel seems tobe comprised of failed router startup guys fromCaspian or Chiaro.Feature wise, they're behind the curve when itcomes to competing withCisco and Juniper. I think this is also shown in howthey name theirsoftware releases as "Feature Groups"(telco-speak, anyone?).The main thing I want to speak to is that this box isnot made foryour clueful IP operator. Alcatel is very insistentthat the customeruse their UNIX/Windows NMS (I believe they call theSAM) to interfacewith the routers. Sorry but...that might fly intelcoland whereexecutives ooh and ahh over point-and-click networkmanagement, but Ithink most operators are going to find it a tad bituseless.Sure, they do have NSR, but so did Avici. Does NSRmake up for thelack of features, high pricing and being stuck at20Gbps per slot?Yes, they do have 40Gbps per slot on the way, but whodoesn't support40Gbps per slot today? Why bother stepping back a few years in developmentwhen if you want asolid P core box, Foundry MLX/XMR, Juniper MX, Cisco7600s and CRS-1'sare ready now and at prices that really aren't allthat bad. Oh yeah,you wont scratch the hell out of your finger nailswhen removing thecompact flash on those boxes. Drive slow, pinging 10(!!!!). On Wed, Nov 12, 2008 at 10:31 AM, devang patel<devangnp () gmail com> wrote:I guess they have good lab in Plano, TX also!!!Iworked on the sameroutersfor IPTV deployment and really they are best!!! regards Devang Patel On Wed, Nov 12, 2008 at 8:43 AM, Dan Snyder<sliplever () gmail com> wrote:I think that the 7750SR routers are great andyou won't be let down. Weused to have an all Cisco network and I wasskeptical at first but theyhavebeen great. As for nss and nsr when we tested this byfailing a cpm we saw less than50ms of traffic loss. I would see if you couldgo to either California orCanada to one of ALUs labs and have itdemonstrated for you.hth, Dan Sent from my iPhone On Nov 12, 2008, at 7:40 AM, "RaymondMacharia" <rmacharia () gmail com>wrote: Hello fellow nanogers,I am a long time user of Cisco gear andcurrently evaluating analternative for my network expansion. currently theone that looks like it will beable to do the job iare Alcatel-Lucent7710/7750 service routers.I am looking for real life experience ofthose who have used it andwhat Imay need to watch out for (if anything) Ihave seen in some of theirdocumentation features like Non-stopServices (NSS) and Non-stopRouting(NSR). are these features real worlddeployable.oh, just to add I want to use the routersas P routers in my IP/MPLScoreRegards -- Raymond Macharia-- Raymond Macharia
Current thread:
- Router Choice Raymond Macharia (Nov 12)
- Re: Router Choice Neil J. McRae (Nov 12)
- Re: Router Choice Dan Snyder (Nov 12)
- Re: Router Choice devang patel (Nov 12)
- Re: Router Choice Paul Wall (Nov 14)
- Re: Router Choice Raymond Macharia (Nov 17)
- Re: Router Choice isabel dias (Nov 17)
- Re: Router Choice Nathan Ward (Nov 17)
- Re: Router Choice Neil J. McRae (Nov 18)
- Re: Router Choice devang patel (Nov 12)