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Re: EU Official: IP Is Personal
From: "J. Oquendo" <sil () infiltrated net>
Date: Thu, 24 Jan 2008 07:57:17 -0500
Roland Perry wrote:
Putting aside for a moment the issue of "whose dollars pay for it" there is no fundamental contradiction in the proposition that private sector information can be mandated to be kept for minimum periods, is confidential, but nevertheless can be acquired by lawful subpoena.Think about banking records, for example, which are confidential, routinely examined in criminal enquiries, and which have to be kept for various minimum periods by accountancy law. Operationally, the banks have had to invest in special departments to do just that, it's simply part of the cost of doing business.
The difference with banking records and computer generated records is, you can literally track down whether by PIN on an ATM along with for the majority of times an image taken from a camera. Try doing this with IP generated information. While law enforcement subpoenas away information, there is no guarantee person X is definitively behind even a static IP address. Its hearsay no matter how you want to look at this. Outside of the fact that lawyers still up to this day and age can't seem to grasp an all-in-one argument to get IP address information thrown out, what's next? Perhaps law enforcement agencies forcing vendors to include enough memory on wireless devices to track who logged in on a hotspot?
Everyone sees the need for all sorts of accounting on the networking side of things but how legitimate is the information when anyone can share MAC addresses, jump into hotspots anonymously, quickly break into wireless networks, venture into an Internet cafe paying cash, throw on a bootable (throwaway) distribution of BSD/Linux/Solaris, do some dirty deed and leave it up to someone else to take the blame.
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- Re: EU Official: IP Is Personal, (continued)
- Re: EU Official: IP Is Personal Eric Brunner-Williams (Jan 23)
- Re: EU Official: IP Is Personal Joel Jaeggli (Jan 23)
- Re: EU Official: IP Is Personal Florian Weimer (Jan 23)
- Re: EU Official: IP Is Personal Sean Donelan (Jan 23)
- Re: EU Official: IP Is Personal Lou Katz (Jan 23)
- Re: EU Official: IP Is Personal Mikael Abrahamsson (Jan 23)
- Re: EU Official: IP Is Personal Fred Baker (Jan 23)
- network reputation [was: IP is...] Gadi Evron (Jan 23)
- Re: network reputation [was: IP is...] Eric Brunner-Williams (Jan 23)
- Re: EU Official: IP Is Personal Roland Perry (Jan 24)
- Re: EU Official: IP Is Personal J. Oquendo (Jan 24)
- RE: EU Official: IP Is Personal Rod Beck (Jan 24)
- Re: EU Official: IP Is Personal J. Oquendo (Jan 24)
- RE: EU Official: IP Is Personal Rod Beck (Jan 24)
- Re: EU Official: IP Is Personal J. Oquendo (Jan 24)
- Re: EU Official: IP Is Personal Eric Brunner-Williams (Jan 23)
- Re: EU Official: IP Is Personal Roland Perry (Jan 24)
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- Re: EU Official: IP Is Personal J. Oquendo (Jan 24)
- Re: EU Official: IP Is Personal Fred Baker (Jan 24)
- Re: EU Official: IP Is Personal Roland Perry (Jan 24)
- Re: EU Official: IP Is Personal Eric Brunner-Williams (Jan 23)
- Re: EU Official: IP Is Personal Eric Gauthier (Jan 24)