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Re: YouTube IP Hijacking


From: "Steven M. Bellovin" <smb () cs columbia edu>
Date: Mon, 25 Feb 2008 07:45:54 +0000


On Mon, 25 Feb 2008 01:49:51 -0500 (EST)
Sean Donelan <sean () donelan com> wrote:


On Mon, 25 Feb 2008, Steven M. Bellovin wrote:
How about state-of-the-art routing security?

The problem is what is the actual trust model?

Are you trusting some authority to not be malicious or never make a 
mistake?

There are several answers to the malicious problem.

There are fewer answers to never making a mistake problem.

The state of the art routing security proposals let the "trusted"
securely make mistakes.  At one time or another, I think every router
vendor, every ASN operator, every RIR, and so on has made a mistake
at some time.

Yeah, I know some of those mistakes may have actually been malicious,
but so far the mistakes have outnumbered the malicious.

If someone comes up with the anti-mistake routing protocol ...

Right.  Everyone makes mistakes, but not everyone is malicious.    And
the RIRs and the big ISPs are *generally* more clueful than the little
guys and the newcomers.  Note also that secured BGP limits the kinds
of mistakes people can make.  If I have a certificate from my RIR for
192.0.2.0/24, I can't neither announce 10.0.0.0/8 nor delegate it to
you, no matter how badly I type.  Secured BGP still strikes me as a net
win.


                --Steve Bellovin, http://www.cs.columbia.edu/~smb


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