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Re: Creating demand for IPv6
From: "William Herrin" <herrin-nanog () dirtside com>
Date: Tue, 2 Oct 2007 17:25:03 -0400
On 10/2/07, Jon Lewis <jlewis () lewis org> wrote:
On Tue, 2 Oct 2007, William Herrin wrote:At the customer level, #1 has been thoroughly mitigated by NAT, eliminating demand. Indeed, the lack of IPv6 NAT creates a negative demand: folks used to NAT don't want to give it up.At the internet access customer level perhaps. As a hosting provider, try telling your customers "here's your IPv4 /32. If you need more IPs, just use NAT." and see how many customers you retain.
Jon, Let me spin you a tale. More of a nightmare really. During early phase of free pool exhaustion, when you can't deliver more IPv4 addresses to your customers you lose the customer to a hosting provider who still has addresses left. So sorry. Those will be some nasty years. Unless you're Cogent, Level3 or one of the others sitting pretty on a /8. They'll be in phat city. What should you do about it? Buy stock. And make no mistake: it will drag on and on. Even when everybody is well and truly out, there are a heck of a lot of addresses that can be reclaimed in dialup pools, residential DSL pools and other uses retroactively deemed wasteful by converting them to NAT. And with NAT inbound you can load a lot of functions on a single IP address. How long will it drag on? I'm not that great an oracle. But let me offer you a mild heresy: when you combine aggressive CIDR with double and triple NAT do you really believe that 4B addresses can't be enough for the pushing 7B people on Earth? Must it ever truly end? IPv4 forever. One possible price for failing to deliver an IPv6 that customers want today. Regards, Bill Herrin -- William D. Herrin herrin () dirtside com bill () herrin us 3005 Crane Dr. Web: <http://bill.herrin.us/> Falls Church, VA 22042-3004
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- Re: Creating demand for IPv6 Jon Lewis (Oct 02)
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- Re: Creating demand for IPv6 Lucy Lynch (Oct 02)
- Re: Creating demand for IPv6 John Curran (Oct 02)
- Re: Creating demand for IPv6 Jon Lewis (Oct 02)
- Re: Creating demand for IPv6 William Herrin (Oct 02)
- Re: Creating demand for IPv6 John Curran (Oct 02)
- Re: Creating demand for IPv6 Randy Bush (Oct 02)
- Re: Creating demand for IPv6 William Herrin (Oct 02)
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- Re: Creating demand for IPv6 Iljitsch van Beijnum (Oct 03)
- Re: Creating demand for IPv6 Joe Abley (Oct 03)
- RE: Creating demand for IPv6 michael.dillon (Oct 03)
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