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Re: Comcast blocking p2p uploads
From: "Steven M. Bellovin" <smb () cs columbia edu>
Date: Fri, 19 Oct 2007 19:58:47 +0000
On Fri, 19 Oct 2007 15:26:14 -0400 "Christopher Morrow" <christopher.morrow () gmail com> wrote:
On 10/19/07, John C. A. Bambenek <bambenek () gmail com> wrote:I love how the framed it as "data discrimination". Let's just be honest... 99% of it was illegal traffic taking up far more than their fair share of bandwidth.is there really anyway to really know how much of it was legit/legal/illegal??
Nope. And BitTorrent is trying to be very legit; see, for example, http://www.forbes.com/home/technology/2007/10/08/brightcove-fox-paramount-tech-cx_ag_1009bittorrent.html Besides, legal issues should be dealt with by the legal process. If nothing else, there one has guarantees of due process and the right to contest the charges.
Also, I'll channel Sean Donelan now: "ISP's... damned if they do, damned if they don't" It's a funny world out there :) (also, how is it that Comcast is getting dinged on this but BT or other carreirs doing similar 'rate shaping' for p2p traffic are NOT?)
Personally, I see a big difference between rate-shaping and sending RSTs. (I suppose you could view RSTs as allocating 0 bps, but that's not a helpful distinction.) That said, I don't approve of other carriers sending RSTs, either; I simply happened to see the articles on Comcast today. --Steve Bellovin, http://www.cs.columbia.edu/~smb
Current thread:
- Re: Comcast blocking p2p uploads, (continued)
- Re: Comcast blocking p2p uploads Sean Figgins (Oct 19)
- Re: Comcast blocking p2p uploads Patrick Giagnocavo (Oct 19)
- RE: Comcast blocking p2p uploads Frank Bulk (Oct 19)
- Re: Comcast blocking p2p uploads Sean Figgins (Oct 19)
- Re: Comcast blocking p2p uploads John C. A. Bambenek (Oct 19)
- Re: Comcast blocking p2p uploads Patrick W. Gilmore (Oct 20)
- Re: Comcast blocking p2p uploads John C. A. Bambenek (Oct 20)
- Re: Comcast blocking p2p uploads Justin M. Streiner (Oct 19)
- Re: Comcast blocking p2p uploads Barry Shein (Oct 19)
- Re: Comcast blocking p2p uploads John C. A. Bambenek (Oct 19)
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- Re: Comcast blocking p2p uploads Steven M. Bellovin (Oct 19)
- Re: Comcast blocking p2p uploads Eric Spaeth (Oct 19)
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- Re: Comcast blocking p2p uploads Daniel Senie (Oct 19)
- Re: Comcast blocking p2p uploads Curtis Doty (Oct 19)
- Re: Comcast blocking p2p uploads Jeroen Massar (Oct 19)
- Re: Comcast blocking p2p uploads Marshall Eubanks (Oct 19)
- Re: Comcast blocking p2p uploads Joel Jaeggli (Oct 19)
- Re: Comcast blocking p2p uploads Sean Figgins (Oct 19)
- Re: Comcast blocking p2p uploads Eric Spaeth (Oct 19)