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Re: Creating a crystal clear and pure Internet
From: Rich Kulawiec <rsk () gsp org>
Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2007 12:51:48 -0500
On Tue, Nov 27, 2007 at 09:38:40AM -0500, Sean Donelan wrote:
Some people have compared unwanted Internet traffic to water pollution, and proposed that ISPs should be required to be like water utilities and be responsible for keeping the Internet water crystal clear and pure.
Yes -- well, not "unwanted" IMHO, but "abusive". (Much traffic that's unwanted is not abusive. For example, in the view of some readers of this mailing list, some of the longer/more caustic/repetitive debates might very well be unwanted. But that traffic is clearly not abusive.)
Several new projects have started around the world to achieve those goals. ITU anti-botnet initiative
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France anti-piracy initiative
Only the first one has anything to do with keeping the Internet clean; the second is a political cave-in to the copyright cartel. I see a (mostly) clear line between "things that are abusive of the Internet, systems connected to it, and users of those systems" and "content that's unwanted, offensive, or claimed to be covered under someone's interpretation of IP law". The first category contains things like spam, phishing, spyware, spam/phishing/spyware support services (dns, web hosting, maildrops), DoS attacks, hijacked networks, etc. The second category contains things like porn, religion, politics, music, movies via whatever means are used to convey them (mail, web, p2p, etc.) all of which are certain to irritate someone, somewhere, and much of which could probably be construed (by a sufficiently creative legal practicioner) to infringe on somebody's IP. In my view, it's the responsibility of everyone on the net to do whatever they can to squelch the first. But they have no obligations at all when it comes to the second -- that way lies the slippery slope of content policing and censorship. ---Rsk
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- Re: [Nanog-futures] nanog AUP wrt subject evolution (was: Creating a crystal clear and pure Internet) Martin Hannigan (Nov 27)
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- Re: Creating a crystal clear and pure Internet Barry Shein (Nov 27)
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