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Re: Network end users to pull down 2 gigabytes a day, continuously?
From: "Alexander Harrowell" <a.harrowell () gmail com>
Date: Sun, 7 Jan 2007 13:59:21 +0000
In the mobile world, there is a lot of telco-led activity around providing streaming video ("TV"), which always seems to boil down to the following points: 1) Just unicasting it over the radio access network is going to use a lot of capacity, and latency will make streaming good quality tough. 2) Therefore, it has to be delivered in some sort of defined-QOS fashion or else over a dedicated, broadcast or one-way only radio link. 3) That means either a big centralised server we own, or another big radio network we own. 4).... 5) PROFIT!! The unexamined assumptions are of course that: 1) Streaming is vital. 2) By definition, just doing it in TCP/IP must mean naive unicasting. 3) Only telco control can provide quality. 4) Mobile data latency is always and everywhere a radio issue. Critique: Why would you want to stream when you can download? *Because letting them download it means they can watch it again, share it with their friends, edit it perhaps?* Why would you want to stream in unicast when there are already models for effective multicast content delivery (see Michael's list)? *See point above!* In my own limited experience with UMTS IP service, it struck me that the biggest source of latency was the wait for DNS resolution, a highly soluble problem with methods known to us all. *But if it's inherent in mobility itself, then only our solutions can fix it...* On 1/7/07, Michael.Dillon () btradianz com <Michael.Dillon () btradianz com> wrote:
> > That might be worse for download operators, because people may > > download > > an hour of video, and only watch 5 minutes :/ > So, from that standpoint, making a video file available for download > is wasting order of 90% of the bandwidth used > to download it. Considering that this is supposed to be a technically oriented list, I am shocked at the level of ignorance of networking technology displayed here. Have folks never heard of content-delivery networks, Akamai, P2P, BitTorrent, EMule? --Michael Dillon
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- Re: Network end users to pull down 2 gigabytes a day, continuously?, (continued)
- Re: Network end users to pull down 2 gigabytes a day, continuously? Roland Dobbins (Jan 07)
- Re: Network end users to pull down 2 gigabytes a day, continuously? Roland Dobbins (Jan 07)
- Re: Network end users to pull down 2 gigabytes a day, continuously? Marshall Eubanks (Jan 06)
- Re: Network end users to pull down 2 gigabytes a day, continuously? Gian Constantine (Jan 07)
- Re: Network end users to pull down 2 gigabytes a day, continuously? Marshall Eubanks (Jan 07)
- Re: Network end users to pull down 2 gigabytes a day, continuously? Andrew Odlyzko (Jan 06)
- Re: Network end users to pull down 2 gigabytes a day, continuously? Colm MacCarthaigh (Jan 06)
- Re: Network end users to pull down 2 gigabytes a day, continuously? Marshall Eubanks (Jan 06)
- Re: Network end users to pull down 2 gigabytes a day, continuously? Michael . Dillon (Jan 07)
- Re: Network end users to pull down 2 gigabytes a day, continuously? Marshall Eubanks (Jan 07)
- Re: Network end users to pull down 2 gigabytes a day, continuously? Alexander Harrowell (Jan 07)
- Re: Network end users to pull down 2 gigabytes a day, continuously? Marshall Eubanks (Jan 07)
- Re: Network end users to pull down 2 gigabytes a day, continuously? Michael . Dillon (Jan 07)
- Re: Network end users to pull down 2 gigabytes a day, continuously? Alexander Harrowell (Jan 07)
- Re: Network end users to pull down 2 gigabytes a day, continuously? Patrick W. Gilmore (Jan 07)
- Re: Network end users to pull down 2 gigabytes a day, continuously? Alexander Harrowell (Jan 07)
- Re: Network end users to pull down 2 gigabytes a day, continuously? Colm MacCarthaigh (Jan 06)
- RE: Network end users to pull down 2 gigabytes a day, continuously? Bora Akyol (Jan 08)
- Re: Network end users to pull down 2 gigabytes a day, continuously? Al Iverson (Jan 08)
- Re: Network end users to pull down 2 gigabytes a day, continuously? Marshall Eubanks (Jan 08)
- RE: Network end users to pull down 2 gigabytes a day, continuously? Michael . Dillon (Jan 08)
- Re: Network end users to pull down 2 gigabytes a day, continuously? Simon Lockhart (Jan 09)