Re: The Root of The Problem [Was: Re: botnets: web servers, end-systems an d Vint Cerf]

[Gadi Evron <ge () linuxbox org>]

On Fri, 16 Feb 2007, Fergie wrote:
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> Well, I'm going to add my $.02 here, too, and I don't care who
> likes it or not. :-)
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> I know Vint, and I've known Vint for a long time.
>
> He's a smart guy. And he's right.
>
> Why is he right?
>
> Because he got in front of the folks who actually _can_ manage
> this problem, and that is the people (actually the NGOs) who
> have the monetary and fiduciary duty to begin looking at problems
> at the financial loss level.
>
> If you think that these problems are going to solely resolved on
> a technical basis, you're delusional.
>
> Rock on, Vint.

I actually agree 100%, I made no run on Vint Cerf or on Google. I
believe I even said the same things as you. Only I also asked some
questions "while we are on the subject of".

Sorry for that misunderstanding. I should have stated that one better.


        Gadi.

> - - ferg
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> - -- Gadi Evron <ge () linuxbox org> wrote:
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> On Thu, 15 Feb 2007, Peter Moody wrote:
> > > I kept quiet on this for a while, but honestly, I appreciate Vint Cerf
> > > mentioning this where he did, and raising awareness among people who
> > > can potentially help us solve the problem of the Internet.
> > >
> > > Still, although I kept quiet for a while, us so-called "botnet
> > > experts" gotta ask: where does he get his numbers? I would appreciate
> > > some backing up to these or I'd be forced to call him up on his
> > > statement. 
> > >
> > > My belief is that it is much worse. I am capable of proving only
> > > somewhat worse. His numbers are still staggering so.. where why when
> > > how what? (not necessarily in that order).
> > >
> > > So, data please Vint/Google.
> >
> >
> >
> > Dr. Cerf wasn't speaking for Google when he said this, so I'm not sure
> > why  
>
> Okay, thansk for clarifying that. :)
>
> > you're looking that direction for answers.  But since you ask, his data
> > came from informal conversations with A/V companies and folks actually in
> > the  
>
> Interesting.
>
> > trenches of dealing with botnet ddos mitigation.  The numbers weren't
> > taken  
>
> Botnet trenches? Yes, I suppose the analogy to World War I is correct. I
> should know, I was there (metaphorically speaking). My guess is, if we are
> to follow this analogy, we are now just before the invention of the tank
> now in 2007, but oh well.
>
> > from any sort of scientific study, and they were in fact mis-quoted (he
> > said more like 10%-20%).
>
> Interesting.
>
> <snip poison>
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> <snip more poison>
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> > (my opinions != my employer's, etc. etc.)
>
> Many thanks,
>
> > Cheers,
> > .peter
>
>       Gadi.
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