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Re: Every incident is an opportunity
From: Barry Shein <bzs () world std com>
Date: Mon, 12 Feb 2007 15:05:45 -0500
On February 12, 2007 at 04:28 bonomi () mail r-bonomi com (Robert Bonomi) wrote: Mostly the same as what I said, but one important difference: duck and cover was a response to seeing the flash (only seconds), not to sirens going off (minutes) which was generally get your coat and go into the hallway and close the classroom doors and await further instruction like maybe head to the basement, being sent home was discussed and there's even some cultish early 60's? movie that revolves around the teachers sending the kids home upon hearing nuclear attack was imminent, etc.
BTW, I was in school (elementary/seconndary) in those days (1958-71), in a mid-sized Midwestern city. We -never- had any of those kind of drills. Apparently 'the powers that be' concluded that there was nothing in our vicinity that would be worth dropping a nuke on. :)
POSSIBLE OPERATIONAL CONTENT: In the late 60s I remember having an interesting conversation with someone who did this kind of strategizing for the Dept of Civil Defense. His scenarios were markedly diferent from the "urban folklore" you'd hear from people about what the Russkies were likely to nuke, other than everyone agreed they'd try to get the silos and a few other key military assets to try to prevent retaliation. But by and large his scenarios worked forward from the assumption that it was a prelude to an invasion and if you're going to invade you don't want to destroy immediately valuable assets like big factories etc. which usually meant you didn't want, or have any good reason, to nuke major cities, they'd make good slaves. Notice how this "they'll nuke the big cities first to kill as many of us as possible" presumption carries forward even today to the central plot of the current US TV show Jericho (it's summarized in the wikipedia) tho of course the enemy and its strategy has changed since the end of the cold war. Then again much of 9/11 did kinda happen in a big city. Anyhow, far be it for me to try to outline an invasion for fun and profit scenario in less words than you'll tire of reading. But it's somewhat different than a white-hot grudge match fling them all at major population centers extermination scenario. The operational content is to be careful of folkloric wisdom in regards to major disaster no one involved has ever really personally experienced. -- -Barry Shein The World | bzs () TheWorld com | http://www.TheWorld.com Purveyors to the Trade | Voice: 800-THE-WRLD | Login: Nationwide Software Tool & Die | Public Access Internet | SINCE 1989 *oo*
Current thread:
- Re: Every incident is an opportunity Robert Bonomi (Feb 12)
- Re: Every incident is an opportunity Barry Shein (Feb 12)
- Re: Every incident is an opportunity Steven M. Bellovin (Feb 12)
- Re: Every incident is an opportunity Barry Shein (Feb 12)
- Request for topic death on Cold War history (was "RE: Every incident is an opportunity") Olsen, Jason (Feb 12)
- Re: Request for topic death on Cold War history (was "RE: Every incident is an opportunity") micky coughes (Feb 12)
- Re: Request for topic death on Cold War history (was "RE: Every incident is an opportunity") Alexander Harrowell (Feb 12)
- Re: Request for topic death on Cold War history (was "RE: Every incident is an opportunity") Mike Lyon (Feb 12)
- Re: Request for topic death on Cold War history (was "RE: Every incident is an opportunity") Crist Clark (Feb 12)
- Re: Request for topic death on Cold War history (was "RE: Every incident is an opportunity") Jay Hennigan (Feb 12)
- Re: Every incident is an opportunity Steven M. Bellovin (Feb 12)
- Re: Every incident is an opportunity Barry Shein (Feb 12)
- Re: Every incident is an opportunity Steven M. Bellovin (Feb 12)
- Re: Every incident is an opportunity Paul Vixie (Feb 12)