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Re: WSJ: Big tech firms seeking power
From: Alex Rubenstein <alex () nac net>
Date: Fri, 16 Jun 2006 21:25:37 -0400 (Eastern Daylight Time)
When I made my posting, I didn't know the context was google in Oregon. I missed that somehow.
Anyway, the dam referenced below: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Dalles_Dam And the power generated from the region: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hydroelectric_dams_on_the_Columbia_River Seems like a good place to setup a datacenter. On Fri, 16 Jun 2006, Jeff Shultz wrote:
David Lesher wrote:Speaking on Deep Background, the Press Secretary whispered:I wonder just how much power it takes to cool 450,000 servers......KwH = $111,000 /month in cooling.I don't know the area; but gather it's hydro territory? How about water-source heat pumps? It's lots easier to cool 25C air into say 10-15C water than into 30C outside air. Open loop water source systems do have their issues [algae, etc] but can save a lot of power....The Dalles, OR is on the Columbia River just upriver of Portland by 80 miles or so. It has a large dam spanning what used to be Celilo Falls in it's front yard.Hydro territory doesn't even begin to define it... :-)"Eco-freak" territory also doesn't begin to define it, so the idea of piping water off the Columbia and returning it even 1/2 degree warmer is a non-starter.I'm amazed they let them put up tall cooling towers in "the historic, scenic Columbia River Gorge...." (sorry, old political battle flashback)
-- Alex Rubenstein, AR97, K2AHR, alex () nac net, latency, Al Reuben Net Access Corporation, 800-NET-ME-36, http://www.nac.net
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- Re: WSJ: Big tech firms seeking power, (continued)
- Re: WSJ: Big tech firms seeking power david raistrick (Jun 16)
- Re: WSJ: Big tech firms seeking power David Lesher (Jun 16)
- Re: WSJ: Big tech firms seeking power Mikael Abrahamsson (Jun 16)
- Re: WSJ: Big tech firms seeking power Alex Rubenstein (Jun 16)
- Re: WSJ: Big tech firms seeking power David Lesher (Jun 17)
- Re: WSJ: Big tech firms seeking power Alexei Roudnev (Jun 17)
- Re: WSJ: Big tech firms seeking power Alex Rubenstein (Jun 16)
- Re: WSJ: Big tech firms seeking power Alexei Roudnev (Jun 17)
- Re: WSJ: Big tech firms seeking power Jeff Shultz (Jun 16)
- Re: WSJ: Big tech firms seeking power Alex Rubenstein (Jun 16)
- Re: WSJ: Big tech firms seeking power Petri Helenius (Jun 16)