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Re: OT: Yahoo- apparently now an extension of the Chinese govt secret police....
From: "Bob Arthurs" <bob_arthurs () hotmail com>
Date: Wed, 07 Sep 2005 22:08:23 +0000
I should add that my original statement pertains to (obviously) the Chinese *government* alone! I am concerned about the repression that the Chinese people experience, and the basic freedoms that they lack.
As far as 'China hate' is concerned- this definately doesn't apply to me- many of my friends are from mainland China, Taiwan, and Hong Kong. I lived for many years in the area, and speak pretty passable Mandarin myself (was pretty fluent, but it has deteriorated a bit, I'm afraid!). So, love the Chinese people, their culture, and history - resent the Chinese government's repression (though I personally believe the Hu Jin Tao *may* turn out to be a great improvement on leaders such as Jiang Zemin, Deng Xiaoping, and obviously Mao Zedong- I hear that Hu Jin Tao even met Hu Yaobang's widow, and plans a commemoration in the Great Hall of the People!!).
From: Joseph S D Yao <jsdy () center osis gov> To: Gadi Evron <ge () linuxbox org> CC: nanog () merit eduSubject: Re: OT: Yahoo- apparently now an extension of the Chinese govt secret police....Date: Wed, 7 Sep 2005 17:38:17 -0400 On Thu, Sep 08, 2005 at 12:07:41AM +0200, Gadi Evron wrote:> >Personally, I see doing business in China about as logical as, say, giving> >430 6th graders laptops with Internet access, and expecting them to pay > >attention in the classroom... Oh, and cutting the sports programs to> >afford those laptops. Man, if someone had given me a laptop in 6th grade,> >I would have sold it! > > Basic Trade: > Some countries have an abundance of one thing while they lack another.> So, what they have too much of is cheap, and too little of, is costly. > > It goes crazy from that point. > > China has a lot of cheap stuff and a lot of cheap labor, and importing > from China and/or manufacturing in China is good business. > > To work in China, one of the biggest markets in the world, you follow > China's rules. If you don't like the rules you don't have to. > > But what you guys spew out is China-hate. Is that the kind of propaganda > you get fed in schools? > > I am happy we've been able to discuss this like adults, here on NANOG. > After all, this is about human networking. I do not hate myself or any other Chinese people. I do hate the lack of respect for human rights shown by the mainland Chinese government, and the slave labor prisons otherwise known as "cheap labor". And the lack of self-respect that allows others to turn a blind eye to this for their own profit. -- Joe Yao ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This message is not an official statement of OSIS Center policies.
Current thread:
- OT: Yahoo- apparently now an extension of the Chinese govt secret police.... Bob Arthurs (Sep 07)
- Re: OT: Yahoo- apparently now an extension of the Chinese govt secret police.... Michael . Dillon (Sep 07)
- Re: OT: Yahoo- apparently now an extension of the Chinese govt secret police.... Owen DeLong (Sep 07)
- Re: OT: Yahoo- apparently now an extension of the Chinese govt secret police.... Joseph S D Yao (Sep 07)
- Re: OT: Yahoo- apparently now an extension of the Chinese govt secret police.... Rich Kulawiec (Sep 07)
- Re: OT: Yahoo- apparently now an extension of the Chinese govt secret police.... Patrick W. Gilmore (Sep 07)
- Re: OT: Yahoo- apparently now an extension of the Chinese govt secret police.... Joseph S D Yao (Sep 07)
- Re: OT: Yahoo- apparently now an extension of the Chinese govt secret police.... Sean Figgins (Sep 07)
- Re: OT: Yahoo- apparently now an extension of the Chinese govt secret police.... Gadi Evron (Sep 07)
- Re: OT: Yahoo- apparently now an extension of the Chinese govt secret police.... Joseph S D Yao (Sep 07)
- Re: OT: Yahoo- apparently now an extension of the Chinese govt secret police.... Bob Arthurs (Sep 07)
- Re: OT: Yahoo- apparently now an extension of the Chinese govt secret police.... Gadi Evron (Sep 07)
- Re: OT: Yahoo- apparently now an extension of the Chinese govt secret police.... Valdis . Kletnieks (Sep 07)
- Re: OT: Yahoo- apparently now an extension of the Chinese govt secret police.... Simon Waters (Sep 08)
- Re: OT: Yahoo- apparently now an extension of the Chinese govt secret police.... Michael Greb (Sep 08)
- Re: OT: Yahoo- apparently now an extension of the Chinese govt secret police.... Patrick W. Gilmore (Sep 08)
- Re: OT: Yahoo- apparently now an extension of the Chinese govt secret police.... Owen DeLong (Sep 07)
- Re: OT: Yahoo- apparently now an extension of the Chinese govt secret police.... Michael . Dillon (Sep 07)
- Re: OT: Yahoo- apparently now an extension of the Chinese govt secret police.... Joe Rhett (Sep 08)