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Re: Cogent/Level 3 depeering
From: Leo Bicknell <bicknell () ufp org>
Date: Fri, 7 Oct 2005 10:54:51 -0400
In a message written on Fri, Oct 07, 2005 at 10:40:50AM -0400, Lamar Owen wrote:
Yes, you would be correct. Which offers an interesting thought: why would it be important for you then but not now? If the issue impacts your customers, then why not spend the 3 minutes reconfiguring your router(s)? (obviously, if it doesn't impact your customers, then ignore that).
I venture any other ISP of importance either has direct connectivity to Cogent and Level 3, and/or buys transit from someone who does. All but the smallest most trivial ISP's are multi-homed. Those that are have seen no result from this, by and large. I can all my customers can get to both.
In other words, this problem is a problem simply because people can't be bothered to fix the problem because it's just a customer service issue, and not 'helping out fellow backbone providers?' Shades of the old backbone cabal here. (yes, a healthy dose of cynicism there)
No, it doesn't affect anyone else's customers. Period. "Fixing it" in this case would be offering Charity to Level 3 and Cogent, and offering your competitors Charity, particularly for their own mistake is not high on most business plans. There's a very large difference between offering charity to a competitor, and keeping the industry going in the face of disaster. To suggest the two are related at all is just absurd. If someone wants to cut their network off from someone else for a business reason they will be able to do that whatever the design of the network may be. Level 3 and Cogent are both actively causing this outage. It's not some grand design failure. -- Leo Bicknell - bicknell () ufp org - CCIE 3440 PGP keys at http://www.ufp.org/~bicknell/ Read TMBG List - tmbg-list-request () tmbg org, www.tmbg.org
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