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Re: Verizon is easily fooled by spamming zombies
From: "Patrick W. Gilmore" <patrick () ianai net>
Date: Wed, 1 Jun 2005 13:39:52 -0400
On Jun 1, 2005, at 12:35 PM, Gadi Evron wrote:
The example given in this thread proves you wrong. My friend had a vanity domain, did not have her own mail server.Okay, and why does she need to use Verizon's servers to send email fromher own vanity domain? Unless I am missing something and Verizon gets paid for this?
Yes, $50/month.
But that's OK, we should tell people one thing (use your ISP's server to send mail) and do another (block them from sending mail through their ISP's server).I believe you are exaggerating, like I usually like to do. My point is the the vast.. vast.. clueless majority is a direct threat to Internetsurvivability (ooh, big words). The 100s of thousands of clued users whohas a vanity domains can definitely find an easy way to send mail, without using the provider's servers.
No, 100s of 1000s of not-so-clued users have vanity domains. Have you checked how many domains are registered on a daily basis these days?
The cost of allowing these servers to stay "open" is extremely high, andwe are paying the price every day.
Who said "open"? There are lots of ways to keep spam from your network down.
If you have a mail server and allow it to send mail, it can be abused. All you can do is try to make it harder to abuse. One of the ways we (the collective "we" who run the Internet) have decided to do this is by forcing people to send outbound mail through their ISP's mail server, not through random open relays.
If the ISP wants to use SMTP AUTH or other mechanisms to lower abuse, that's fine. But to say "only allow ISP.net from addresses - but allow them from anywhere on the 'Net" is kinda ... silly.
That's the point, the clueless, vast, vast, majority is happy. They don't care. They don't know there are 40 Trojan horses and 400 spywarecomponents installed on their quiet green desktop. All they know is thattheir email account works. I know that they are threatening the Internet. Clear and simple.
The solution presented here is not only not a solution, it is also a problem.
-- TTFN, patrick
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- Re: VerizonWireless.com Mail Blacklists Rich Kulawiec (Jun 01)
- Verizon is easily fooled by spamming zombies (was: Re: VerizonWireless.com Mail Blacklists) Steven Champeon (Jun 01)
- Re: Verizon is easily fooled by spamming zombies (was: Re: VerizonWireless.com Mail Blacklists) Patrick W. Gilmore (Jun 01)
- Re: Verizon is easily fooled by spamming zombies Martin Hepworth (Jun 01)
- Re: Verizon is easily fooled by spamming zombies Patrick W. Gilmore (Jun 01)
- Re: Verizon is easily fooled by spamming zombies Gadi Evron (Jun 01)
- Re: Verizon is easily fooled by spamming zombies Patrick W. Gilmore (Jun 01)
- Re: Verizon is easily fooled by spamming zombies Gadi Evron (Jun 01)
- Re: Verizon is easily fooled by spamming zombies Patrick W. Gilmore (Jun 01)
- Re: Verizon is easily fooled by spamming zombies Gadi Evron (Jun 01)
- Re: Verizon is easily fooled by spamming zombies Patrick W. Gilmore (Jun 01)
- Re: Verizon is easily fooled by spamming zombies Gadi Evron (Jun 01)
- Re: Verizon is easily fooled by spamming zombies Valdis . Kletnieks (Jun 01)
- Re: Verizon is easily fooled by spamming zombies Gadi Evron (Jun 01)
- Re: Verizon is easily fooled by spamming zombies Steve Sobol (Jun 01)
- Re: Verizon is easily fooled by spamming zombies (was: Re: VerizonWireless.com Mail Blacklists) Patrick W. Gilmore (Jun 01)
- Verizon is easily fooled by spamming zombies (was: Re: VerizonWireless.com Mail Blacklists) Steven Champeon (Jun 01)
- Re: Verizon is easily fooled by spamming zombies Gadi Evron (Jun 01)
- Re: Verizon is easily fooled by spamming zombies Christopher L. Morrow (Jun 01)
- Re: Verizon is easily fooled by spamming zombies Gadi Evron (Jun 01)
- Re: Verizon is easily fooled by spamming zombies Michael . Dillon (Jun 02)