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Re: London incidents
From: "Patrick W. Gilmore" <patrick () ianai net>
Date: Tue, 12 Jul 2005 12:33:11 -0400
On Jul 12, 2005, at 6:16 AM, Jim Popovitch wrote:
On Tue, 2005-07-12 at 19:20 +0930, Mark Newton wrote:There's been -nothing- from the Brits to say that cellphones were involved in their explosions; And DHS says they haven't made any recommendations one way or the other; And there's no reason to believe that the threat to the New York subway system is any higher than usual; And yet someone at the Port Authority has made a unilateral decision to shut off the cells, and now if there -is- a real emergency nobody can call 911.Basically it's damned if you do take action, damned if you don't. Onceagain we see that you can't please all the people (yes, even those not using NYC tunnels) all the time.
No, it's damned if you take stupid action, damned if you do not do something you should.
People in charge of our security should not be allowed to take whatever action comes to mind in the name of security. Intelligent, useful, competent decisions should be made. If they cannot make them, we should find someone who can.
Billions of dollars, millions of person-hours, and more frustration than I can quantify is not a good price to pay for the infinitesimal increase in security (if any) we have received through decisions like this one.
I think the world has shown that cellphones have been used over and overto detonate explosive devices. Why wait for it to be proved again before doing something? AFAIK "Emergency Only" mode allows for 911 calls, just not inbound/outbound calls. Besides, the US (at least) isfull of a lot of people who need to hang up the phone and start drivinggood again.
Your logic is ... illogical. If you cannot see why, I will not be able to explain it to you. (But you probably feel safer knowing I can't pack a Zippo in my checked in baggage.)
As for the "Emergency Only" mode, the original poster said _power was cut_ to the repeaters. Could you explain to me how this allows for 911 calls please?
-Jim P. (who is tired of being caught in traffic behind weaving, slowing/speeding, hand-waving and head-shaking, cellphone "drivers")
Not really relevant to the discussion at hand. -- TTFN, patrick
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- Re: London incidents, (continued)
- Re: London incidents Mark Foster (Jul 12)
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- Re: London incidents Jay R. Ashworth (Jul 12)
- Re: London incidents JC Dill (Jul 12)
- Re: London incidents Valdis . Kletnieks (Jul 12)
- Re: London incidents Crist Clark (Jul 12)
- Re: London incidents Patrick W. Gilmore (Jul 12)
- Re: London incidents Steven M. Bellovin (Jul 12)
- Re: London incidents Bill Stewart (Jul 12)
- Re: London incidents Joseph S D Yao (Jul 12)
- Re: London incidentsn David Lesher (Jul 12)
- Re: London incidents Patrick W. Gilmore (Jul 12)
- Re: London incidents Jim Popovitch (Jul 12)
- Re: London incidents Patrick W. Gilmore (Jul 12)
- Re: London incidents Jim Popovitch (Jul 12)
- Re: London incidents Michael . Dillon (Jul 13)
- Re: London incidents Adam Rothschild (Jul 12)
- Re: London incidents Scott W Brim (Jul 12)
- Re: London incidents Steven M. Bellovin (Jul 12)
- Re: London incidents Todd Vierling (Jul 12)
- "Leaky Coax" [was: London incidents] Matt Ghali (Jul 14)
- Re: "Leaky Coax" [was: London incidents] Thomas Kernen (Jul 15)