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Re: Two Tiered Internet
From: Sean Donelan <sean () donelan com>
Date: Wed, 14 Dec 2005 13:40:09 -0500 (EST)
On Wed, 14 Dec 2005, Christopher L. Morrow wrote:
Do you really think the cablecos will be significantly less evil than the telcos? I'm not as optimistic about the result of a legislated duopoly.So far they seem to be not quite so evil (minus their port blocking for some services, and rate-shaping for other services)... I used them as an example though, really so long as there is another game in town (competition) think the SBC/BS proposals will not last very long. At the very least I'd bet that they won't garner the profits that the SBC/BS execs are hoping will arrive.
How do you know your MSO or ISP hasn't been doing this for years? Do ISPs have different levels of congestion on peering links between different networks? Do ISPs have different levels of congestion between peering links and internal links? Do ISPs use different circuits or queues for different types of traffic? Whether your use time division multiplexing, frequency division multiplexing or packet division multiplexing, the effect on congestion is similar. You are creating multiple queues. You don't "delay" or "slow down" packets. Routers don't have big enough buffers to "delay" a packet for milliseconds. Whether you have two queues on one physical interface or two physical interfaces with one queue each, the end effect is the same if you forward different traffic through different paths. The reality is converged or partially converged networks have been using some level of QOS at some layer (MPLS, IP, ATM) for years. CIR, PIR, UBR, CBR, DSCP, TOS, choose your style. Even the PSTN has multiple classes of service for different calls ranging from choke numbers used for radio stations and call-in contests to GETS numbers used by emergency responders. Yes, MSOs and other ISPs are already doing this. The primary difference seems to be the telco's discuss more of their network engineering practices in public.
Current thread:
- Re: Two Tiered Internet, (continued)
- Re: Two Tiered Internet Michael . Dillon (Dec 14)
- RE: Two Tiered Internet Neil J. McRae (Dec 14)
- Re: Two Tiered Internet Per Heldal (Dec 14)
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- Re: Two Tiered Internet Daniel Senie (Dec 14)
- Re: Two Tiered Internet Bob Snyder (Dec 14)
- Re: Two Tiered Internet Tony Li (Dec 13)
- Re: Two Tiered Internet Christopher L. Morrow (Dec 13)
- Re: Two Tiered Internet Deepak Jain (Dec 13)
- Re: Two Tiered Internet Stephen Sprunk (Dec 13)
- Re: Two Tiered Internet Christopher L. Morrow (Dec 13)
- Re: Two Tiered Internet Sean Donelan (Dec 14)
- Re: Two Tiered Internet Marshall Eubanks (Dec 13)
- Re: Two Tiered Internet Michael Loftis (Dec 14)
- Re: Two Tiered Internet Per Heldal (Dec 14)
- Re: Two Tiered Internet Marshall Eubanks (Dec 14)
- Re: Two Tiered Internet Steve Gibbard (Dec 14)
- Re: Two Tiered Internet David Barak (Dec 14)
- Re: Two Tiered Internet Per Heldal (Dec 14)
- Re: Two Tiered Internet Michael . Dillon (Dec 14)
- Re: Two Tiered Internet Bob Snyder (Dec 14)