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Re: Schneier: ISPs should bear security burden
From: Owen DeLong <owen () delong com>
Date: Wed, 27 Apr 2005 03:07:47 -0700
Sound about right?
No, not at all. I'm not advocating a wild west every man for himself, but, I think that solving end-node oriented problems at the transport layer is equally absurd. It's like expecting to be able to throw crude oil into a tanker at one end and demanding that the trucker deliver gasoline at the other. ISPs transport packets. That's what they do. That's what most consumers pay them to do. I haven't actually seen a lot of consumers asking for protected internet. I've seen lots of marketing hype pushing it, but, very little actual consumer demand. Sure, the hype will probably generate eventual demand, but, so far, it hasn't really. Do you really want an internet where everything has to run over ports 80 and 443 because those are all that's left that ISPs don't filter? That's where a lot of this crap is headed. Heck, Micr0$0ft is ready for that... They already tunnel almost all of the viruses through those two ports in order to facilitate them penetrating corporate firewalls and such. How much functionality are we going to destroy before we realize that you can't fix end-node problems in the transit network? Owen
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