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Re: OpenTransit (france telecom) depeers cogent
From: Richard A Steenbergen <ras () e-gerbil net>
Date: Thu, 14 Apr 2005 12:27:39 -0400
On Thu, Apr 14, 2005 at 11:28:00AM -0400, dgolding () gmu edu wrote:
Richard, Its easy to accuse people of criminality - that's what you just did. How about some proof? Cogent's ratios are very very bad. That's why some people don't like peering with them. Being sent to sales is a common, if regretable tactic in depeering. However, dealing with Cogent on peering matters is incredibly unpleasant. I can understand networks and peering coordinators feeling that it just isn't worth it.
No, you got me wrong. I wasn't suggesting that anyone was doing anything criminal. I was suggesting that Cogent was now so large that if any of the folks who were pissed off at Cogent's disruptive pricing actually wanted to make an impact against them, they would need to get together and take action collectively. Teleglobe tried to depeer them, but ended up needing Savvis to transit the bits to maintain global reachability, which cost them a pretty penny while costing Cogent nothing. In the end, they promptly re-peered. I could certainly see anti-Cogent folks making the point that Cogent has amassed a customer base of people who are fully prepared for poor or partial connectivity, and who just don't care because of the price point. In the game of who can stick their fingers in their ears and hum the longest, I think Cogent will win. At least, if they continue to take on networks who don't like them one-at-a-time, and continue the policy of complete unreachability during depeering. :) -- Richard A Steenbergen <ras () e-gerbil net> http://www.e-gerbil.net/ras GPG Key ID: 0xF8B12CBC (7535 7F59 8204 ED1F CC1C 53AF 4C41 5ECA F8B1 2CBC)
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- OpenTransit (france telecom) depeers cogent Jonas Frey (Apr 14)
- Re: OpenTransit (france telecom) depeers cogent william(at)elan.net (Apr 14)
- Re: OpenTransit (france telecom) depeers cogent Jonas Frey (Apr 14)
- Re: OpenTransit (france telecom) depeers cogent Alexander Koch (Apr 14)
- RE: OpenTransit (france telecom) depeers cogent Neil J. McRae (Apr 14)
- Re: OpenTransit (france telecom) depeers cogent Fredy Kuenzler (Apr 14)
- RE: OpenTransit (france telecom) depeers cogent Neil J. McRae (Apr 14)
- Re: OpenTransit (france telecom) depeers cogent Richard A Steenbergen (Apr 14)
- RE: OpenTransit (france telecom) depeers cogent Neil J. McRae (Apr 14)
- Re: OpenTransit (france telecom) depeers cogent Richard A Steenbergen (Apr 14)
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- Re: OpenTransit (france telecom) depeers cogent Richard A Steenbergen (Apr 14)
- Re: OpenTransit (france telecom) depeers cogent Patrick W Gilmore (Apr 14)
- Re: OpenTransit (france telecom) depeers cogent Steve Gibbard (Apr 14)
- Re: OpenTransit (france telecom) depeers cogent Richard A Steenbergen (Apr 14)
- RE: OpenTransit (france telecom) depeers cogent Neil J. McRae (Apr 14)
- RE: OpenTransit (france telecom) depeers cogent Daniel Senie (Apr 14)
- Re: OpenTransit (france telecom) depeers cogent Alexander Koch (Apr 14)
- Re: OpenTransit (france telecom) depeers cogent Patrick W Gilmore (Apr 14)
- Partial Transit (was Re: OpenTransit (france telecom) depeers cogent) Deepak Jain (Apr 14)
- RE: OpenTransit (france telecom) depeers cogent Neil J. McRae (Apr 15)
- Re: OpenTransit (france telecom) depeers cogent Richard A Steenbergen (Apr 14)
- Re: OpenTransit (france telecom) depeers cogent william(at)elan.net (Apr 14)