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Re: Schneier: ISPs should bear security burden
From: "Jay R. Ashworth" <jra () baylink com>
Date: Sat, 30 Apr 2005 17:34:09 -0400
On Wed, Apr 27, 2005 at 03:07:47AM -0700, Owen DeLong wrote:
Sound about right?No, not at all. I'm not advocating a wild west every man for himself, but, I think that solving end-node oriented problems at the transport layer is equally absurd. It's like expecting to be able to throw crude oil into a tanker at one end and demanding that the trucker deliver gasoline at the other.
Owen, I may be wrong... but it sounds to me like half the people in this conversation are talking about things *the retail gas station ought to do*, assuming that the people on the other side realize this, and the other side is reacting as if the first group is advocating that *refineries and pipeline operators* ought to be doing those things. Certainly backbone ops shouldn't be doing this sort of filtering, and if you're big enough and willing to pay enough, you ought to be able to get a hose free of such filters. But *what you're paying for* there is the right to pollute the commons, and no, people paying $1/MB's for their Verizon FTTH connection probably ought not to expect a raw unfiltered connection. It's not *just* about bandwidth... Cheers, -- jra -- Jay R. Ashworth jra () baylink com Designer Baylink RFC 2100 Ashworth & Associates The Things I Think '87 e24 St Petersburg FL USA http://baylink.pitas.com +1 727 647 1274 If you can read this... thank a system administrator. Or two. --me
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- Re: Schneier: ISPs should bear security burden Owen DeLong (Apr 28)
- Re: Schneier: ISPs should bear security burden John Dupuy (Apr 28)
- Re: Schneier: ISPs should bear security burden william(at)elan.net (Apr 28)
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- Re: Schneier: ISPs should bear security burden James Baldwin (Apr 28)
- Re: Schneier: ISPs should bear security burden Valdis . Kletnieks (Apr 28)
- Re: Schneier: ISPs should bear security burden James Baldwin (Apr 28)
- Re: Schneier: ISPs should bear security burden Andy Johnson (Apr 28)
- Re: Schneier: ISPs should bear security burden Owen DeLong (Apr 28)
- Re: Schneier: ISPs should bear security burden Owen DeLong (Apr 28)
- Re: Schneier: ISPs should bear security burden Owen DeLong (Apr 28)
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- Re: Schneier: ISPs should bear security burden Jay R. Ashworth (Apr 30)
- Re: Schneier: ISPs should bear security burden Robert M. Enger (Apr 30)
- Re: Schneier: ISPs should bear security burden Suresh Ramasubramanian (Apr 30)
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- Re: Schneier: ISPs should bear security burden Owen DeLong (Apr 27)
- Re: Schneier: ISPs should bear security burden william(at)elan.net (Apr 27)
- Re: Schneier: ISPs should bear security burden Mark Newton (Apr 26)