RE: RE: NYSE

["Temkin, David" <temkin () sig com>]

It's my understanding that 
A) The providers of the actual ring did install "Separate" fiber for
SFTI but I have no idea whether or not they're in new rights of way -
I'm willing to bet not

B) Reducing the points of entry into the ring reduces complexity and
makes it much easier to recover the ring in the event of a disaster.
Understanding that SIAC has thousands and thouands of customers
connecting at the DS-3+ level to get data that's generated from one
place means that you need to keep the distribution uniform.  Basically,
it boils down to them being able to say "Our ring is up, if your
connectivity to our ring is down it's your problem" in order to maintain
fairness between Trading firm A that has 10 people and Trading firm B
that has 10,000 people.  

When they were maintaining separate interfaces for each customer they
could potentially run into issues where they'd get certain larger firms
back able to trade sooner than smaller ones and then you create unfair
market disadvantages. 

> -----Original Message-----
> From: sgorman1 () gmu edu [mailto:sgorman1 () gmu edu] 
> Sent: Tuesday, September 21, 2004 10:40 AM
> To: Temkin, David
> Cc: Alen Capalik; Philip Lavine; nanog
> Subject: Re: RE: NYSE
>
>
> There are a few things about the SFTI set up that are a bit 
> baffling to me.  From their website:
>
> SFTI carries IP traffic over a topology of redundant, 
> self-healing fiber-optic rings, completely independent of all 
> other telco circuits and conduits. SFTI's design is 
> straightforward, consolidating traffic into fewer pipes, 
> which minimizes complexity and reduces the number of 
> potential points of failure. 
>
> What does "completely independent of all other telco circuits 
> and conduits" mean?  Did they get their very own "new" right 
> of ways dug out.  A certain government report listed their 
> physical fiber provider, and they certainly are not new right 
> of ways.  Further, I'm a bit baffled how reducing the number 
> of pipes reduces the number of potential points of failure.  
> Usually fewer pipes means less diversity.  A ring is nice 
> till someone hits it in two places.  I also wonder how many 
> of these rings are collapsed in a single conduit.  I hope 
> someone over there is asking tough questions and are 
> following up on getting a second physical fiber provider.  
> I'd recommend not advertising who it this time either.
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Temkin, David" <temkin () sig com>
> Date: Tuesday, September 21, 2004 9:45 am
> Subject: RE: NYSE
>
> > You can no longer order "direct" lines to SIAC unless you have an 
> > extremely compelling reason.  Nowadays you must order a 
> line to "SFTI"
> > which is their Disaster-Recovery-centric service.  You are correct 
> > aboutthe connection method, but he will need to be specific and 
> > understandthat he wants to connect to SFTI and not just "SIAC"
> > directly anymore.
> >
> > See: https://sfti.siac.com/sfti/index.jsp  for more details.
> >
> >
> >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: owner-nanog () merit edu 
> [mailto:owner-nanog () merit edu] On Behalf 
> > > Of Alen Capalik
> > > Sent: Monday, September 20, 2004 10:20 PM
> > > To: Philip Lavine
> > > Cc: nanog
> > > Subject: Re: NYSE
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > On Mon, Sep 20, 2004 at 10:36:16AM -0700, Philip Lavine wrote:
> > > > If I where to connect to SIAC thru a SONNET ring who's
> > > would it be? Is
> > > > it private or public?
> > >
> > > They use any provider (Verizon, MCI, AT&T and ConEd 
> Comm.), however 
> > > ConED Comm. is their primary backbone provider.  So, 
> here's how you 
> > > go about it.  You order a line (DS-1, DS-3, 100Mb/s, Gig, 
> whatever) 
> > > from any of the providers you use (if I were you I would 
> use either 
> > > Verizon or ConEd Comm, I can give you the number for ConEd Comm. 
> > > head sales person).  You contact SIAC, and you start the 
> paperwork 
> > > to get your network connected into their backbone SONET.  
> Once you 
> > > get permit numbers, you have the provider drop a line 
> into one of 5 
> > > data centers around NY area, and SIAC gives you a port on one of 
> > > their Juniper Routers.  They also give you a VLAN setup 
> requirements 
> > > so you can configure your border switch/router.
> > > The line is owned by you.  SIAC only gives you a port on their 
> > > routers.  NOTE: NEVER ORDER ONE LINE.
> > > ORDER TWO OR MORE LINES TO DIFFERENT SIAC DATA CENTERS.  The cost 
> > > for one port (one line) is as follows:
> > >
> > > MRC (Monthly Reaccuring Cost):                            
> > >   $4,400.00 
> > > NRC (Non-Reaccuring Cost i.e. one time fee):      $8,800 
> > >
> > > Any line you drop at SIAC will cost you that amount, and 
> that's on 
> > > top of the line costs from the provider.  That's it.  Hope this 
> > > helps.  Like I said it's a very long and tedious process 
> getting the 
> > > line up and running with SIAC.
> > > They are practically a government institution, and they 
> don't move 
> > > too fast for anybody.
> > >
> > > > --- "R. Benjamin Kessler" <rbk () midwestnsg com> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > I've setup a highly-redundant connection for one of my
> > clients
> > > > > (equipment in two different access-centers in two
> > > different cities).
> > > > > What are you looking to do?
> > > > >
> > > > > - Ben
> > > > >
> > > > > ~~~~~~~~~~
> > > > > R. Benjamin Kessler
> > > > > Sr. Network Consultant
> > > > > CCIE #8762, CISSP, CCSE
> > > > > Midwest Network Services Group
> > > > > Email: rbk () midwestnsg com
> > > > > http://www.midwestnsg.com
> > > > > Phone: 260-625-3273
> > > > >
> > > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > > From: owner-nanog () merit edu
> > > > > [mailto:owner-nanog () merit edu] On Behalf Of Philip Lavine
> > > > > Sent: Friday, September 17, 2004 2:38 PM
> > > > > To: nanog () merit edu
> > > > > Subject: NYSE
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Does anyone have experience in setting up a direct
> > > connection with
> > > > > NYSE, specifically SIAC or SFTI?
> > > > >
> > > > >
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