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Re: BCP38 making it work, solving problems
From: Paul Vixie <paul () vix com>
Date: Tue, 19 Oct 2004 13:36:18 +0000
... the first thing is, some nets who want the internet to work this way have to implement BCP38 in their own corner of the internet. then they have to start de-peering with nets who don't do it, and offer a better rate to customers who do it than to those who don't. then they have to de-peer with anyone who doesn't require their peers and customers to do it. then they have to refuse as customers anyone who won't do it. ...As it was "in the old days": first clean up your own act and then start pointing at others that they're doing "it" wrong. It's a mentality I see very rarely amongst the larger ISP's who've been part of that 'I' in their name since the very early beginning.
i found out from verisign that big companies call something "innovation" if it hasn't been generally done before and if it immediately increases revenue. failing the "immediately increases revenue" part, no big company will do anything that hasn't been generally done before. unless their insurance companies or their government insists, that is. the same cfo's who are choking the life out of your backbone (equipment, staff, etc) are perfectly happy to pay a little more to get UL-listed refrigerators for the company's break rooms. i guess the grownups really are in charge? i'm pretty depressed at the lack of self regulation among the techiefolk. responses to BCP38 of the form "but my customer has a good reason to spoof" or "but my equipment can't do wire speed SAV" or "but BCP38 will not solve all DDoS problems single-handedly" are small minded, provincial, and wrong. ... it's just "but if man was meant to fly he'd have wings" all over again.
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- Re: BCP38 making it work, solving problems Steven Champeon (Oct 13)
- Re: BCP38 making it work, solving problems JP Velders (Oct 19)
- Re: BCP38 making it work, solving problems Fred Baker (Oct 19)
- Re: BCP38 making it work, solving problems Randy Bush (Oct 19)
- Re: BCP38 making it work, solving problems JP Velders (Oct 19)
- Re: BCP38 making it work, solving problems David G. Andersen (Oct 19)
- Re: BCP38 making it work, solving problems JP Velders (Oct 19)
- Re: BCP38 making it work, solving problems Patrick W Gilmore (Oct 19)
- Re: BCP38 making it work, solving problems Jon Lewis (Oct 20)
- Re: BCP38 making it work, solving problems Joe Abley (Oct 21)
- Re: BCP38 making it work, solving problems Paul Vixie (Oct 19)
- Re: BCP38 making it work, solving problems JP Velders (Oct 19)
- Re: BCP38 making it work, solving problems Jared Mauch (Oct 19)
- Re: BCP38 making it work, solving problems Mark Andrews (Oct 19)
- Re: BCP38 making it work, solving problems Paul Vixie (Oct 12)
- Re: BCP38 making it work, solving problems Suresh Ramasubramanian (Oct 12)
- Re: BCP38 making it work, solving problems Bora Akyol (Oct 12)
- Re: BCP38 making it work, solving problems Patrick W Gilmore (Oct 12)
- Re: BCP38 making it work, solving problems Christopher L. Morrow (Oct 12)
- Re: BCP38 making it work, solving problems Hank Nussbacher (Oct 13)
- Re: BCP38 making it work, solving problems Randy Bush (Oct 13)