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RE: Counter DoS
From: "Pendergrass, Greg" <Greg.Pendergrass () vodafone com>
Date: Thu, 11 Mar 2004 16:48:39 -0000
By "The Art of War on the Internet" I didn't mean information warfare, that's been with us as long as there's been information and the internet is certainly going to be a major part of that. What I am against is anyone trying to popularize the idea of the internet as a battleground where one uses force and deception to "gain ground". It's just another case of people wrongly attempting to fit somthing that they don't understand into a framework that they do understand, thereby creating a fallacy. Trying to base a product off of a flawed idea is bound to fail but also likely be a major irritation before it does. GP -----Original Message----- From: Etaoin Shrdlu [mailto:shrdlu () deaddrop org] Sent: 11 March 2004 14:58 To: Nanog Subject: Re: Counter DoS "Pendergrass, Greg" wrote:
I can see now that it's only a matter of time before some nut writes "The Art of War in the Internet". I read the whitepaper, it goes on a lot about how defensive policies are ineffective but doesn't really say why active response has never been tried:
Ask, and ye shall receive. http://btobsearch.barnesandnoble.com/textbooks/booksearch/isbnInquiry.asp?us erid=2XH986JPUE&btob=Y&isbn=1581128576&TXT=Y&itm=1 I thought that someone mentioned that Mr. Forno was reputed to be on staff with these folk.
Their proposition is a terrible idea and their "rules of engagement" would be funny instead of frightening if it wasn't serious
I note that he also has a title from last year, which seems applicable here: Weapons of Mass Delusion (ISBN 158961111X) I will point out that I cannot take seriously a company (Symbiot) that depends on a shockwave plugin to put up a web page. Pity that they came out so aggressively; it might have been an interesting product. Hype can kill as well as sell. -- It is by caffeine alone I set my mind in motion. It is by the beans of Java that thoughts acquire speed, the hands acquire shaking, the shaking becomes a warning. It is by caffeine only I set my mind in motion. Vodafone Global Content Services Limited Registered Office: Vodafone House, The Connection, Newbury, Berkshire RG14 2FN Registered in England No. 4064873 This e-mail is for the addressee(s) only. If you are not an addressee, you must not distribute, disclose, copy, use or rely on this e-mail or its contents, and you must immediately notify the sender and delete this e-mail and all copies from your system. Any unauthorised use may be unlawful. The information contained in this e-mail is confidential and may also be legally privileged.
Current thread:
- Re: Counter DoS, (continued)
- Re: Counter DoS william(at)elan.net (Mar 10)
- RE: Counter DoS Mark Borchers (Mar 10)
- RE: Counter DoS Christopher L. Morrow (Mar 10)
- RE: Counter DoS Mark Borchers (Mar 10)
- Re: Counter DoS Baldwin, James (Mar 11)
- Re: Counter DoS Sean Donelan (Mar 11)
- Re: Counter DoS Brandon Butterworth (Mar 11)
- Re: Counter DoS Hank Nussbacher (Mar 11)
- RE: Counter DoS Pendergrass, Greg (Mar 11)
- Re: Counter DoS Etaoin Shrdlu (Mar 11)
- RE: Counter DoS Michael . Dillon (Mar 11)
- RE: Counter DoS Pendergrass, Greg (Mar 11)
- Re: Counter DoS Rachael Treu (Mar 11)
- RE: Counter DoS Drew Weaver (Mar 11)
- Re: Counter DoS Gregory Taylor (Mar 11)
- New Solution: (was: Re: Counter DoS) Deepak Jain (Mar 11)
- Re: New Solution: (was: Re: Counter DoS) Barney Wolff (Mar 11)
- Re: New Solution: (was: Re: Counter DoS) James (Mar 11)
- Re: Counter DoS Gregory Taylor (Mar 11)
- Re: Counter DoS william(at)elan.net (Mar 10)
- RE: Counter DoS Priscilla Oppenheimer (Mar 11)
- Re: Counter DoS Eric Kuhnke (Mar 11)