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RE: Even you can be hacked
From: "David Schwartz" <davids () webmaster com>
Date: Fri, 11 Jun 2004 21:00:58 -0700
Why does Webmaster put the entire risk on the customer, including warning that the security mechanism has inherent limitations? Shouldn't Webmaster be responsible if their customer suffer a loss whatsover the cause, even if it wasn't due to any negligence on the part of Webmaster?
I never argued that the ISP should be responsible for losses that weren't created by their own negligence.
Seems like Webmaster is requiring customers to be experts in Webmaster's products. Shouldn't it be Webmaster's responsibility to analyze and warn customers about every possible problem they could ever experience, secure the customer against all possible harm, and compenstate the customer for all losses?
I never said an ISP should compensate a customer. How about sticking to the arguments I actually *used* rather than straw men? I'm talking about a case where the provider had continuing control over the use of the item involved. I'm talking about a case where the provider knew or should have known that there was abuse that was injuring third parties. I'm talking about a case where the provider is billing the customer for the specific act of harming the third parties. When you sell software, you have no idea what someone is going to use it for. You have no ability to continue to control the product over time. You have no way to know how the customer is actually using the product. You have no ability to shut off their usage at any particular time. You have no way to know or suspect that their usage is harming third parties. Again, every analogy fails. You have to look at this particular case and the particular facts. DS
Current thread:
- RE: Even you can be hacked, (continued)
- RE: Even you can be hacked John Neiberger (Jun 11)
- RE: Even you can be hacked Fisher, Shawn (Jun 11)
- RE: Even you can be hacked Scott McGrath (Jun 11)
- Re: Even you can be hacked Richard Welty (Jun 11)
- Re: Even you can be hacked Jeff Shultz (Jun 11)
- Re: Even you can be hacked Crist Clark (Jun 11)
- RE: Even you can be hacked Scott McGrath (Jun 11)
- RE: Even you can be hacked Mike Walter (Jun 11)
- RE: Even you can be hacked David Schwartz (Jun 11)
- RE: Even you can be hacked David Schwartz (Jun 11)
- RE: Even you can be hacked Sean Donelan (Jun 11)
- RE: Even you can be hacked David Schwartz (Jun 11)
- RE: Even you can be hacked Mark Foster (Jun 11)
- RE: Even you can be hacked Sean Donelan (Jun 11)