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Re: [IP] VeriSign prepares to relaunch "Site Finder" -- calls
From: ken emery <ken () cnet com>
Date: Tue, 24 Feb 2004 07:59:27 -0800 (PST)
On Tue, 24 Feb 2004, Jason Nealis wrote:
FWIW, We had PAXFIRE in over here last week and heard their dog and pony on the product, basically they make money by using your customer base and diverting them to a search page that they developed with their "partners". Of course they only divert them on failed www lookups.
Okay, they are lying here. There is no way for them to tell if something is a "web lookup" or some other type of lookup at this point. Unless of course they only divert www.*, and even then other types of services may be provided by a host with a name of www.*. So they really can't make this work without breaking sometihng. bye, ken emery
It's a module plug-in into bind and if you prefer to try and do this in a opt-in basis they have a client program that you download and it gets hooked into the users browser. They claim that the embedded MSN search page that you get diverted to by IE is making MSN millions and millions of dollars and they want the ISP's to get some of that revenue share. Jason Nealis RCN INTERNET On Mon, Feb 23, 2004 at 04:54:51PM -0500, Stephen J. Wilcox statedI am curious what the operational impact would be to network operators if, instead of Verisign using SiteFinder over all com and net, Verisign or their technology partner for SiteFinder began coercing a large number of independent ISPs and network operators to install their form of DNS redirection at the ISP-level, until all or most of the end-users out there were getting redirected.It would be no worse than NEW.NET or any other form of DNS pollution/piracy (like the alternate root whackos), as long as it was clearly labelled. AsSorry my threading is screwed, something to do with the headers so I missed half the replies. Anyway I just sent an email, I dont think this is the same as the new.net thing, in that case you have an unstable situation of competing roots arising which as it grows or collides the operator community is left to pick up the pieces and complaints. With a local redirection you get to choose that you want it, you dont impose it on other parts of the Internet and given enough clue level your customers can run their own DNS if they object. So with that in mind this is no worse that http caching/smtp redirection or other local forms of subversion.. Stevean occasional operator of infrastructure, I wouldn't like the complaint load I'd see if the customers of such ISP's thought that *I* was inserting the garbage they were seeing. So I guess my hope is, it'll be "opt-in" with an explicitly held permission for every affected IP address (perhaps using some kind of service discount or enhancement as the carrot.)
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- Re: [IP] VeriSign prepares to relaunch "Site Finder" -- calls technologists "biased", (continued)
- Re: [IP] VeriSign prepares to relaunch "Site Finder" -- calls technologists "biased" Petri Helenius (Feb 23)
- Re: [IP] VeriSign prepares to relaunch "Site Finder" -- calls Paul Vixie (Feb 23)
- Re: [IP] VeriSign prepares to relaunch "Site Finder" -- calls John Palmer (Feb 23)
- Re: [IP] VeriSign prepares to relaunch "Site Finder" -- calls Valdis . Kletnieks (Feb 23)
- Re: [IP] VeriSign prepares to relaunch "Site Finder" -- calls Stephen J. Wilcox (Feb 23)
- Re: [IP] VeriSign prepares to relaunch "Site Finder" -- calls Eric Brunner-Williams in Portland Maine (Feb 23)
- Re: [IP] VeriSign prepares to relaunch "Site Finder" -- calls Stephen J. Wilcox (Feb 23)
- Re: [IP] VeriSign prepares to relaunch "Site Finder" -- calls Paul Vixie (Feb 23)
- Re: [IP] VeriSign prepares to relaunch "Site Finder" -- calls Jason Nealis (Feb 24)
- Re: [IP] VeriSign prepares to relaunch "Site Finder" -- calls Valdis . Kletnieks (Feb 24)
- Re: [IP] VeriSign prepares to relaunch "Site Finder" -- calls ken emery (Feb 24)
- Re: [IP] VeriSign prepares to relaunch "Site Finder" -- calls Dan Hollis (Feb 24)
- Re: [IP] VeriSign prepares to relaunch "Site Finder" -- calls Paul Vixie (Feb 24)
- Re: [IP] VeriSign prepares to relaunch "Site Finder" -- calls Dan Hollis (Feb 24)
- Re: [IP] VeriSign prepares to relaunch "Site Finder" -- calls Brian Bruns (Feb 24)
- Re: [IP] VeriSign prepares to relaunch "Site Finder" -- calls Jason Nealis (Feb 24)