RE: "scanning" e-mail [WAS: 3 Free Gmail invites]

["Joe Johnson" <jjohnson () jmdn net>]

Plus, didn't the courts rule that an ISP can read their customer's
emails? The wire-tap laws say you can't read communications in-transit,
but once it hits the server's NIC, it is no longer in transit.

May be sleazy, but it is legal.

Joe Johnson

> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-nanog () merit edu [mailto:owner-nanog () merit edu] On Behalf
Of
> Patrick W Gilmore
> Sent: Thursday, August 19, 2004 12:56 PM
> To: nanog () nanog org
> Cc: Patrick W Gilmore
> Subject: "scanning" e-mail [WAS: 3 Free Gmail invites]
>
>
> On Aug 19, 2004, at 1:39 PM, Lou Katz wrote:
>
> > On Wed, Aug 18, 2004 at 10:13:29PM -0700, Jonathan Nichols wrote:
> > > Joshua Brady wrote:
> > >
> > > > I've got 2 Gmail invites up for grabs for the first 2 to email me
> > > > offlist.
> > >
> > > You know, I'm having trouble finding people that *don't* have
> > > gmail.com
> > > accounts already. :P
> >
> > Because G-mail scans INCOMING mail without the sender's consent, we
> > will NEVER
> > have a G-mail account and have considered blocking them. We actively
> > discourage
> > our clients from using this service. If you want to let a service
scan
> > YOUR mail,
> > it is your perogative, but you cannot give them permission to scan
MY
> > mail to you.
>
> I believe your last statement is factually incorrect.  I absolutely
> _can_ do anything I please with "your" e-mail you send to me.  Not
only
> that, I also believe I _may_ do it.  You send me e-mail, the e-mail is
> now mine.  I can post it publicly, put it into a search engine, or
> deleted it, and you have no say in the matter.  Might not be polite,
> but it certainly it not illegal.  Don't like it, don't send me e-mail.
> (Please. :)
>
> Google is simply indexing mail for their users as a service - an
> unobtrusive, completely benign service just like virus checking or
> procmail scripts which have been used for years.  And it certainly
does
> not require the consent of the sender.  How I manage my mailbox is MY
> business.  You have exactly zero say over whether I let Google do it
or
> Mail.app.
>
> Perhaps you are worried that Google will read your e-mail?  Or maybe
> let others read it?  Well, I hope you never send e-mail to anyone who
> does not run their own dedicated mail server on their own dedicated
> hardware and encrypt the SMTP session.  'Cause you are worried about
> something that has been happening for decades.  (Plus I think  you
have
> to be more than a little arrogant to think anyone at Google gives a
> fart about the e-mail you send.)
>
> But hey, it's your e-mail, send it or not as you please.  I like the
> idea behind G-mail, I just can't deal with a web-based e-mail client.
> You don't, then don't use it.
>
> Just please don't spout factual fallacies like saying I can't give
> someone permission to do things to my inbox.
>
> --
> TTFn,
> patrick