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Re: Current street prices for US Internet Transit
From: Deepak Jain <deepak () ai net>
Date: Tue, 17 Aug 2004 17:23:14 -0400
I've had this discussion a few times with people working at cisco. The answers I usually get has to do with how well it handles overload, ie what happens when ports go full.If you want to be able to do single TCP streams at 5 gigabit/s over your long-haul 10gig network that is already carrying a lot of traffic, you need deep packet buffers. If your fastest customer is less than 1gig and your network is 10gig, you do not. So, if I were to provision a transatlantic line that cost me a lot of money, I would use a GSR or a juniper. If I were to provision a 80km dark fiber between two places where I already own 24 pairs, there is a wide choice in equipment.
Maybe I am wrong here, but what does the router's packet buffers have to do with a TCP stream? Buffers would add jitter and latency to the pipe. Wouldn't a 5Gb/s TCP stream over 3000+ miles imply huge buffers on the sender and receiver side? Since when do the routers buffers make a difference for that? If your application is such that jitter and latency don't matter, buffers are great. If dropping a packet on congestion is worse than queuing it, also great. But how does that improve the stream's performance otherwise?
"What happens when ports go full" are you implying some kind of HOL problem in the 7600?
DJ
Current thread:
- Re: Current street prices for US Internet Transit, (continued)
- Re: Current street prices for US Internet Transit Daniel Roesen (Aug 16)
- Re: Cisco/Juniper right of resale. Gerald (Aug 16)
- Re: Cisco/Juniper right of resale. John Curran (Aug 16)
- Re: Current street prices for US Internet Transit Petri Helenius (Aug 16)
- Re: Current street prices for US Internet Transit Michael . Dillon (Aug 17)
- Re: Current street prices for US Internet Transit John Curran (Aug 16)
- Re: Current street prices for US Internet Transit Joe Provo (Aug 16)
- Re: Current street prices for US Internet Transit Vincent J. Bono (Aug 16)
- Re: Current street prices for US Internet Transit Deepak Jain (Aug 16)
- Re: Current street prices for US Internet Transit Mikael Abrahamsson (Aug 16)
- Re: Current street prices for US Internet Transit Deepak Jain (Aug 17)
- Re: Current street prices for US Internet Transit Mikael Abrahamsson (Aug 17)
- Re: Current street prices for US Internet Transit Deepak Jain (Aug 17)
- Re: Current street prices for US Internet Transit Mikael Abrahamsson (Aug 17)
- Re: Current street prices for US Internet Transit Andre Oppermann (Aug 18)
- Re: Current street prices for US Internet Transit Deepak Jain (Aug 17)
- Re: Current street prices for US Internet Transit Petri Helenius (Aug 16)
- Re: Current street prices for US Internet Transit Stephen J. Wilcox (Aug 17)
- Re: Current street prices for US Internet Transit Suresh Ramasubramanian (Aug 17)
- Re: Current street prices for US Internet Transit Michael . Dillon (Aug 17)