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RE: BGP-based blackholing/hijacking patented in Australia?
From: "Barry Raveendran Greene" <bgreene () cisco com>
Date: Thu, 12 Aug 2004 07:12:35 -0700
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Just to set the history straight - so it is on the record. RTBH - Remote Triggered Black Hole filtering reemerged as a key security reaction tool when two things happened: 1. When Chris Morrow and Brian Gemberling shared their Backscatter Traceback technique with the world. http://www.secsup.org/Tracking/ 2. When we - Cisco - created uRPF Loose Check to allow for source based RTBH (see attached for lots of my links) My first use of RTBH - what Pipe is saying they invented - was back in 1991 to stop an attack on a network I was operating. It was a technique taught to me from someone at JVNCnet. I'm not sure who that person was - but Steve Johnson - who worked at JVNCnet at that time and was later my boss confirmed that they were using RTBH every now and then. Also note that at least one of the anti-SPAM solutions have used RTBH for years. MAPS (http://www.mail-abuse.com/) started in 1996. So it really surprises me that "Pipe has applied for a patent."
-----Original Message----- From: owner-nanog () merit edu [mailto:owner-nanog () merit edu] On Behalf Of Niels Bakker Sent: Thursday, August 12, 2004 3:11 AM To: nanog () merit edu Subject: BGP-based blackholing/hijacking patented in Australia? http://australianit.news.com.au/articles/0,7204,10394549%5E153 06%5E%5Enbv%5E,00.html 2004-08-10 (via InfoAnarchy) "Pipe has applied for a patent for its method of blocking access to deceptive websites linked to fraudulent emails that direct users to fake bank websites to capture bank account and password details. [..] "Pipe Networks managing director Bevan Slattery said Pipe had been testing a method of enabling banks, ISPs and law enforcement agencies to notify Pipe of new phishing emails. "Pipe could then distribute updated internet routing information to ISPs via the border gateway protocol, so internet users could not reach the fraudulent website." The implications of this are scary. Hijacking of IP space by a private company, supported by the government? -- Niels. -- Today's subliminal thought is:
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- Re: BGP-based blackholing/hijacking patented in Australia?, (continued)
- Re: BGP-based blackholing/hijacking patented in Australia? Henry Linneweh (Aug 12)
- Re: BGP-based blackholing/hijacking patented in Australia? Stephen J. Wilcox (Aug 12)
- Re: BGP-based blackholing/hijacking patented in Australia? Henry Linneweh (Aug 12)
- Re: BGP-based blackholing/hijacking patented in Australia? Raymond Dijkxhoorn (Aug 12)
- Re: BGP-based blackholing/hijacking patented in Australia? Andre Oppermann (Aug 12)
- Re: BGP-based blackholing/hijacking patented in Australia? Paul Jakma (Aug 12)
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- Re: BGP-based blackholing/hijacking patented in Australia? Hank Nussbacher (Aug 13)
- Re: BGP-based blackholing/hijacking patented in Australia? Henry Linneweh (Aug 13)
- RE: BGP-based blackholing/hijacking patented in Australia? Neil J. McRae (Aug 12)
- Re: BGP-based blackholing/hijacking patented in Australia? Suresh Ramasubramanian (Aug 12)
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- BGP-based blackholing/hijacking patented in Australia? Bevan Slattery (Aug 12)
- Re: BGP-based blackholing/hijacking patented in Australia? Stephen J. Wilcox (Aug 13)
- Re: BGP-based blackholing/hijacking patented in Australia? william(at)elan.net (Aug 13)
- Re: BGP-based blackholing/hijacking patented in Australia? Bevan Slattery (Aug 13)
- Re: BGP-based blackholing/hijacking patented in Australia? Edward B. Dreger (Aug 13)
- RE: BGP-based blackholing/hijacking patented in Australia? Barry Raveendran Greene (Aug 13)