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Re: Lazy network operators
From: Joe Abley <jabley () isc org>
Date: Wed, 14 Apr 2004 10:07:30 -0400
On 14 Apr 2004, at 04:09, Miquel van Smoorenburg wrote:
That was solved 6 years ago. You let them use port 587 instead of 25. http://www.faqs.org/rfcs/rfc2476.html
There's a slight wrinkle with that for people who want to submit mail over SSL.
Several graphical, consumer-grade mail clients let you select a port for "outgoing mail (SMTP)" and also have a checkbox for "use a secure connection (SSL)".
If (port == 25 && use_ssl) the client will EHLO to 25/tcp, and will attempt to use STARTTLS in order to encrypt the session.
If (port != 25 && use_ssl) the client will assume an SSL-wrapped SMTP server on the other end, and will not use STARTTLS.
If (port != 25 && !use_ssl) the client will assume a non-SSL-wrapped SMTP server, and will not use STARTTLS.
This provides an operational/support issue for people running mail servers who want to support both SSL and also non-encrypted mail submission for their clients. It's an implementation problem in mail clients, not a protocol issue, but since it sounds like it might make the helpdesk phone ring, I thought I'd mention it.
Joe
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- Re: Lazy network operators, (continued)
- Re: Lazy network operators Paul Vixie (Apr 17)
- Re: Lazy network operators Kurt Erik Lindqvist (Apr 20)
- RE: Lazy network operators Eric Krichbaum (Apr 13)
- RE: Lazy network operators Michel Py (Apr 13)
- RE: Lazy network operators Michel Py (Apr 13)
- RE: Lazy network operators Stephen J. Wilcox (Apr 14)
- Re: Lazy network operators Miquel van Smoorenburg (Apr 14)
- Re: Lazy network operators Petri Helenius (Apr 14)
- Re: Lazy network operators Alex Bligh (Apr 14)
- Re: Lazy network operators John Curran (Apr 14)
- Re: Lazy network operators Petri Helenius (Apr 14)
- Re: Lazy network operators Joe Abley (Apr 14)
- Re: Lazy network operators Todd Vierling (Apr 14)
- Re: Lazy network operators Joe Abley (Apr 14)
- Re: Lazy network operators Joe Abley (Apr 14)
- Re: Lazy network operators Joe Maimon (Apr 14)
- Re: Lazy network operators E.B. Dreger (Apr 15)
- RE: Lazy network operators Stephen J. Wilcox (Apr 14)
- Re: Lazy network operators Petri Helenius (Apr 14)
- Re: Lazy network operators Stephen J. Wilcox (Apr 14)