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Re: monkeys.dom UPL being DDOSed to death
From: Joe Abley <jabley () isc org>
Date: Tue, 23 Sep 2003 18:00:24 -0400
On Tuesday, Sep 23, 2003, at 17:32 Canada/Eastern, Valdis.Kletnieks () vt edu wrote:
On Tue, 23 Sep 2003 14:15:48 PDT, Dan Hollis said:china seems hellbent on becoming a LAN. i see the same thing eventuallyhappening to networks which refuse to deal with their ddos sources.Well.. that's all fine and good, except we first need one large player to put their foot down and say "That's enough of this manure, we're depeeringyou and blocking your prefixes till you clean up your act".Once *one* big player does that, your "eventually happening" will be pretty fast.
In my recent experience, many, many network operators in North America and Europe who are really, really bad at tracking back source-spoofed DDoS traffic through their networks (there are also some notable, fine exceptions I've dealt with recently, who know who they are and should not feel slighted by this generality).
If transit was uniformly denied to every operator who was not equipped to deal with DDoS tracking in a timely manner, I think 90% of the Internet would disappear immediately.
This is not just an Asian problem.(Incidentally, I think if one big player suddenly decided to throw away the millions of dollars of revenue they earn through providing transit to east Asian countries, the likely effect would be another grateful big player leaping in to take over. I don't see a future in which the well-being of users in other peoples' networks trumps income.)
Joe
Current thread:
- Re: monkeys.dom UPL being DDOSed to death, (continued)
- Re: monkeys.dom UPL being DDOSed to death John Payne (Sep 23)
- Re: monkeys.dom UPL being DDOSed to death Justin Shore (Sep 23)
- Re: monkeys.dom UPL being DDOSed to death Dan Hollis (Sep 23)
- Re: monkeys.dom UPL being DDOSed to death John Payne (Sep 23)
- Re: monkeys.dom UPL being DDOSed to death Matthew Sullivan (Sep 23)
- Re: monkeys.dom UPL being DDOSed to death Raymond Dijkxhoorn (Sep 23)
- Re: monkeys.dom UPL being DDOSed to death Raymond Dijkxhoorn (Sep 24)
- Re: monkeys.dom UPL being DDOSed to death Valdis . Kletnieks (Sep 23)
- Re: monkeys.dom UPL being DDOSed to death Aaron Dewell (Sep 23)
- Re: monkeys.dom UPL being DDOSed to death Joe Abley (Sep 23)
- Re: monkeys.dom UPL being DDOSed to death Dan Hollis (Sep 23)