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Re: State Super-DMCA Too True
From: Tony Rall <trall () almaden ibm com>
Date: Sun, 30 Mar 2003 13:57:31 -0700
On Sunday, 2003-03-30 at 09:07 CST, Jack Bates <jbates () brightok net> wrote:
Please see Saphire worm. Then tell me that an ISP doesn't oversell services. The fact is, the entire Internet is oversold. If everyone did their full capacity, it would crash. DSL is also based on this assumption.
It's fine to oversell your capacity, as long as you inform your customers that that is what you're doing. And it's ok to put bandwidth limits on usage (or tiered pricing), as long as you're up front with your customers about it (don't advertise a 2 Mb/s connection for $50 and then, in the fine print, say that the customer can't average more than 50 kb/s). It's not fine (although an ISP can do it if they choose) and it is somewhat stupid to try to control what you care about (bandwidth) by limiting something that is not necessarily related to that resource (NAT, certain apps, etc.). In summary, charge appropriately for what costs you money. NAT does not cost you anything. Charge for bandwidth, helpdesk calls (not due to ISP problems), whatever really is a direct expense to the provider. Again, tell the customer plainly about these limitations (before they commit to them). Tony Rall
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- Re: State Super-DMCA Too True, (continued)
- Re: State Super-DMCA Too True Rubens Kuhl Jr. (Mar 30)
- Re: State Super-DMCA Too True Mike Lyon (Mar 30)
- Re: State Super-DMCA Too True Jack Bates (Mar 30)
- Re: State Super-DMCA Too True Robert A. Hayden (Mar 30)
- RE: State Super-DMCA Too True todd glassey (Mar 31)
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- Re: State Super-DMCA Too True Jack Bates (Mar 30)
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- Re: State Super-DMCA Too True Jack Bates (Mar 30)
- Re: State Super-DMCA Too True Dan Hollis (Mar 30)
- Re: State Super-DMCA Too True Jack Bates (Mar 30)
- Re[2]: State Super-DMCA Too True Richard Welty (Mar 30)
- Re: State Super-DMCA Too True Tony Rall (Mar 30)
- Re: State Super-DMCA Too True Peter Galbavy (Mar 31)
- Re: State Super-DMCA Too True Jack Bates (Mar 31)
- Re: State Super-DMCA Too True Richard A Steenbergen (Mar 31)
- Re: State Super-DMCA Too True Jack Bates (Mar 31)
- Re: State Super-DMCA Too True Dan Hollis (Mar 31)
- Re: State Super-DMCA Too True Jack Bates (Mar 31)
- Re: State Super-DMCA Too True Stephen Sprunk (Mar 31)
- Re: State Super-DMCA Too True Petri Helenius (Mar 31)
- Re: State Super-DMCA Too True Rubens Kuhl Jr. (Mar 31)
- Re: State Super-DMCA Too True Petri Helenius (Mar 31)