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RE: State Super-DMCA Too True
From: "McBurnett, Jim" <jmcburnett () msmgmt com>
Date: Sun, 30 Mar 2003 10:34:28 -0500
And to use NAT to circumvent this should be illegal. It is theft of service. The ISP has the right to setup a business modeland sell as itwishes. Technology has allowed ways to bypass or stealextra service.This law now protects the ISP. There will be some ISPs thatcontinue toallow and support NAT.
NAT-- HMMM - In my eyes that is a security precaution for the ignorant.. Think of this: Joe user goes to Wally World, or Staples and get's a Linksys BEFSR11 cable/dsl router. He adds NAT, and walla, his computer is no longer wide open to the world... Albeit not a stateful firewall, it is much more effective than Norton or others, as it does not use the resources of the system. If this is illegal, then the law truely is contradictoriy. As I understand it, it says that a network operator has the right to protect themselves. A network can be defined as 1 or more computers connected to 1 or more other computers.....
The problem is that these laws not only outlaw the use of NAT devices where prohibited, but also the sale and possession of such devices.
HMMM - Cisco just bought Linksys-- This should prove interesting!!!!
Futher, I think many would disagree that the use of NAT where prohibited necessarily should be considered an illegal activity. Note that the customer is still paying for a service, so the question of "theft" is debatable. It is one thing for an ISP to terminate service for breach of contract by using a NAT device, it is quite something else to put someone in prison for such a breach.
See note above... NAT- A poor man's type of firewall.....
I found one large broadband provider in Michigan that prohibits the use of NAT devices -- Charter Communications. Comcast, Verizon, and SBC seem to allow them for personal household use (although they do have value-add services that charge extra for multiple routable static IP addresses).
That is surprising.. IN SC I know charter does not say that.. As a Matter of fact, I have worked closely with several local Charter Engineers. And they have really been exactly opposite...
The Michigan law covers only commercial telecommunications service providers that charge fees. It most definitely does not cover anyone running a network.
how do they define a network? If I have a computer at home and it talks to other computers.. Then don't I operate a network? Later, Jim
Current thread:
- Re: State Super-DMCA Too True Kevin Loch (Mar 29)
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- RE: State Super-DMCA Too True McBurnett, Jim (Mar 30)
- RE: State Super-DMCA Too True E.B. Dreger (Mar 30)
- RE: State Super-DMCA Too True McBurnett, Jim (Mar 30)
- RE: State Super-DMCA Too True E.B. Dreger (Mar 30)
- RE: State Super-DMCA Too True McBurnett, Jim (Mar 30)
- Re: State Super-DMCA Too True Kevin Loch (Mar 30)
- Re: State Super-DMCA Too True Neil J. McRae (Mar 31)
- RE: State Super-DMCA Too True todd glassey (Mar 31)
- Re: State Super-DMCA Too True Stephen Sprunk (Mar 31)
- RE: State Super-DMCA Too True todd glassey (Mar 31)
- Re: State Super-DMCA Too True Stephen Sprunk (Mar 31)
- Re: State Super-DMCA Too True Stephen Sprunk (Mar 31)