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Re: Ettiquette and rules regarding Hijacked ASN's or IP space?
From: "Mr. James W. Laferriere" <babydr () baby-dragons com>
Date: Tue, 10 Jun 2003 11:39:33 -0400 (EDT)
Hello Kia , In line On Mon, 9 Jun 2003, Kai Schlichting wrote:
On 6/9/2003 at 4:06 PM, "Christopher L. Morrow" <chris () UU NET> wrote:Sure, you are announcing 196.1.1.0/24 and only that, fine, but are you allowed to announce that prefix? Are you "Centre for Monitoring Indian Economy" ?? Or is this your direct customer and you are just the sat-link provider for him?
Being able to answer such 64,000-dollar-questions with authority is the issue ARIN's registry operations are facing, pass or fail. And you can take that literally: the recent hijacking events have put ARIN's rules, procedures and current registry data so much into question - it'll be (do || die) for them. The inherited Internic data going back almost 20 years doesn't help things. Indeed, I think that any and all legacy assignments should be purged, like the old Usenet, one by one. Some things that could be done:
- contact all owners of IP space or ASNs with a demand to show legal, notarized paperwork showing their company's status as incorporated/active, and/or legal successor to the original registrant. Gotta use those 7 years of business records you're required to hold for something!
Already in progress . Using DNS lameness as start basis . I just got a note for an old ip-range I had promised the owner I'd keep active and forgot about over the years .
- non-announced IP space with defunct contacts: -> reserved status, no AS may route those, until resolved per above
How would you go about admonishing hijackers (or what appears as a hijacker) OR the provider that has been given a letter of approval from the agency that appears to have the lease ? ... lots more questions in this vein ? For all of the items mentioned below . Just one foopah with a blackhole server & NOone is going to remain attached to it . That has been proven over & over again . If you can not implicitely trust the operator(s) of the blackhole(s) operators will etierh run their own of ignore the blackholes .
- non-announced IP space with working contacts: email to POC every 30 days with the legal demands (email/paper mail). After 90 days: network set to 'reserved' status, no AS may announce these, until resolved per above.
- announced IP space: announcing AS to be contacted in addition to POC for the network object. For AS's in violation, this shall mean that all upstream ASs as visible at popular exchange points should be contacted (at least once) as well.
- announcing AS's that violate the 'do not announce' rule shall be dealt with in ways similar to the non-cooperating entities described in: http://www.arin.net/policy/2003_1.html - they will get their own network objects suspended.
- complete publicly accessible list of all 'reserved' networks - the DNSBLs and private BGP blackhole feeds will do the rest. Wouldn't you want to know how quiet your inbox can be, when you have a BGP4 blackhole feed with SPEWS L1 as the source...
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- Re: Ettiquette and rules regarding Hijacked ASN's or IP space? Joe Abley (Jun 09)
- Re: Ettiquette and rules regarding Hijacked ASN's or IP space? John Brown (Jun 08)
- Re: Ettiquette and rules regarding Hijacked ASN's or IP space? Kai Schlichting (Jun 09)
- Re: Ettiquette and rules regarding Hijacked ASN's or IP space? Mr. James W. Laferriere (Jun 10)
- RE: Ettiquette and rules regarding Hijacked ASN's or IP space? Andy Dills (Jun 09)
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