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Re: Backbone Infrastructure and Secrecy
From: Eric Kuhnke <eric () fnordsystems com>
Date: Tue, 08 Jul 2003 09:43:08 -0700
Barn door, horse is already gone. I'm willing to stipulate that Sean may be a GIS wizard, and has compiled a very accurate listing of north american fiber routes. However, this is nothing new... US Transatlantic cable landings (mirrored from John Young's cryptome.org): http://colofinder.net/gallery/view_album.php?set_albumName=album90 US Transpacific cables: http://colofinder.net/gallery/view_album.php?set_albumName=album89 I doubt there are armed guards with body armor and AR-15s patrolling the beach in front of Oregon's cable blockhouses. I may be wrong. Photos, anybody? I'm sure you could sell the Australian government's equivalent of the NIPC or "Cyber Security Czar" on reasons why their nation is vulnerable to public fiber location knowledge. What would happen if Southern Cross and two or three high capacity cables to Singapore were cut simultaneously? Are we going to throw a burlap sack over 60 Hudson, the Westin Building, One Wilshire, or similar buildings and disavow knowledge of their existence? You can't hide major infrastructure. With the exception of Afghanistan and a few other areas, full color 1 meter resolution satellite imagery is commercially available for any locations between 70N and 70S latitude. (IKONOS, SPIN-2, etc). I am curious exactly how accurate Sean's maps are. Are his fiber routes listed in surveyor quality DGPS measurements, or is it more of a "Somewhere along the shoulder of I-94" type accuracy? At 11:29 AM 7/8/2003 -0400, you wrote:
NANOG's Sean Gorman is in the news: http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A23689-2003Jul7.html I would find GIS like the one described *very* usefull in finding transport providers. If I could see who has what where, I would know who to go to for quotes. As it stands, most of this information is hard to get ahold of. Who, besides Sean, has maps like this? The state PUC? If so, is that information available to the public? Do you have to go thorugh a background check and/or sign an NDA? Or is it only the providers themselves that have the maps for this stuff? -Adam
Current thread:
- Backbone Infrastructure and Secrecy Adam Kujawski (Jul 08)
- Re: Backbone Infrastructure and Secrecy Jared Mauch (Jul 08)
- RE: Backbone Infrastructure and Secrecy Deepak Jain (Jul 08)
- Re: Backbone Infrastructure and Secrecy Pete Kruckenberg (Jul 08)
- Soviet era maps of Moscow (was Re: Backbone Infrastructure and Secrecy) Sean Donelan (Jul 09)
- Re: Soviet era maps of Moscow (was Re: Backbone Infrastructure and Secrecy) N. Richard Solis (Jul 09)
- Soviet era maps of Moscow (was Re: Backbone Infrastructure and Secrecy) Sean Donelan (Jul 09)
- Re: Backbone Infrastructure and Secrecy Eric Kuhnke (Jul 08)
- Re: Backbone Infrastructure and Secrecy Leo Bicknell (Jul 09)
- <Possible follow-ups>
- Re: Backbone Infrastructure and Secrecy Michael . Dillon (Jul 09)
- Re: Backbone Infrastructure and Secrecy Jack Bates (Jul 09)
- Re: Backbone Infrastructure and Secrecy Scott Weeks (Jul 09)
- Re: Backbone Infrastructure and Secrecy Peter Galbavy (Jul 09)
- Re: Backbone Infrastructure and Secrecy Barney Wolff (Jul 09)
- Re: Backbone Infrastructure and Secrecy Eric Kuhnke (Jul 09)
- Re: Backbone Infrastructure and Secrecy Charles Sprickman (Jul 09)
- Missle Silos (was: Backbone Infrastructure and Secrecy) John Osmon (Jul 09)
- Re: Missle Silos (was: Backbone Infrastructure and Secrecy) Eric Kuhnke (Jul 10)
- Re: Backbone Infrastructure and Secrecy Jack Bates (Jul 09)
- Re: Backbone Infrastructure and Secrecy Jared Mauch (Jul 08)