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Re: WANTED: ISPs with DDoS defense solutions
From: "variable () ednet co uk" <variable () ednet co uk>
Date: Thu, 31 Jul 2003 14:06:40 +0100 (BST)
On Wed, 30 Jul 2003, Christopher L. Morrow wrote:
Sure, trace my attacks to the linux box at UW, I didn't spoof the flood and you can prove I did the attacking how? You can't because I and 7 other hackers all are fighting eachother over ownership of the poor UW student schlep's computer...
You're quite right. This only means we'll be able to: 1) Stop the attack more quickly. 2) Alert the admins of the box that it's owned so that they can fix it and begin tracing how it happened.
I'm all for raising the bar on attackers and having end networks implement proper source filtering, but even with that 1000 nt machines pinging 2 packet per second is still enough to destroy a T1 customer, and likely with 1500 byte packets a T3 customer as well. You can't stop this without addressing the host security problem...
Agreed, we all (network providers, router vendors, software vendors and end users) need to be working together to solve this problem. There is no magic bullet. Rich
Current thread:
- WANTED: ISPs with DDoS defense solutions Lane Patterson (Jul 29)
- Re: WANTED: ISPs with DDoS defense solutions Jared Mauch (Jul 30)
- Re: WANTED: ISPs with DDoS defense solutions Mike Tancsa (Jul 30)
- Re: WANTED: ISPs with DDoS defense solutions Jared Mauch (Jul 30)
- Re: WANTED: ISPs with DDoS defense solutions Mike Tancsa (Jul 30)
- Re: WANTED: ISPs with DDoS defense solutions variable (Jul 30)
- Re: WANTED: ISPs with DDoS defense solutions Christopher L. Morrow (Jul 30)
- Re: WANTED: ISPs with DDoS defense solutions Mike Tancsa (Jul 30)
- Re: WANTED: ISPs with DDoS defense solutions Rob Thomas (Jul 30)
- Re: WANTED: ISPs with DDoS defense solutions Christopher L. Morrow (Jul 30)
- Re: WANTED: ISPs with DDoS defense solutions variable () ednet co uk (Jul 31)
- Re: WANTED: ISPs with DDoS defense solutions Mike Tancsa (Jul 30)
- Re: WANTED: ISPs with DDoS defense solutions Rob Thomas (Jul 30)
- Re: WANTED: ISPs with DDoS defense solutions Paul Vixie (Jul 30)
- Re: WANTED: ISPs with DDoS defense solutions Henry Linneweh (Jul 30)
- Re: WANTED: ISPs with DDoS defense solutions Randy Bush (Jul 30)
- Re: WANTED: ISPs with DDoS defense solutions Jared Mauch (Jul 30)
- Re: WANTED: ISPs with DDoS defense solutions variable (Jul 31)
- Re: WANTED: ISPs with DDoS defense solutions Petri Helenius (Jul 31)
- Re: WANTED: ISPs with DDoS defense solutions Stephen J. Wilcox (Jul 31)
- Re: WANTED: ISPs with DDoS defense solutions Rob Thomas (Jul 31)
- Re: WANTED: ISPs with DDoS defense solutions Petri Helenius (Jul 30)
- Re: WANTED: ISPs with DDoS defense solutions Paul Vixie (Jul 30)