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RE: FW: Re: Is there a line of defense against Distributed Reflective attacks?
From: "Al Rowland" <alan_r1 () corp earthlink net>
Date: Wed, 22 Jan 2003 09:28:18 -0800
Not to mention that fact that 99.99% of current consumer connections are not up to the task. Standard full-screen video digital stream is ~6Mbps, HDTV requires 19.4Mbps. Don't know many consumers with T3s. ;) As always, it gets down to doing the math, something may dot bombers weren't (aren't) very good at. AOL/Time Warner is just the first major example of this 'not yet ready for prime time' business plan. Not to mention the effect everyone on AOL going to broadband and downloading Disney clips all the time would have on their settlement plans with backbone providers. When fiber-to-the-curb is the norm we'll be able to 'Ride the Light' Until then, your mileage may vary. You might also see some change in settlement plans and consumer pricing about that same time. Best regards, ______________________________ Al Rowland
-----Original Message----- From: owner-nanog () merit edu [mailto:owner-nanog () merit edu] On Behalf Of Vadim Antonov Sent: Tuesday, January 21, 2003 5:51 PM To: todd glassey Cc: nanog () trapdoor merit edu Subject: Re: FW: Re: Is there a line of defense against Distributed Reflective attacks? On Tue, 21 Jan 2003, todd glassey wrote:Vadim - the instant someone sues a Provider for sexualharassment fromtheir spam epidemic you will start to see things change. The reason that No-Sane provider will block these ports or services is because they have been listening to their Network Admins too long,We were talking about P2P, not spam. P2P participants _want_ to talk to each other, unlike spammer and his victims. ISPs already agressively fight spammers by termninating their service completely - no port blocking or lawsuits are needed. Blocking ports is not going to prevent communication between parties which wish to communicate. And carriage of bits is about an order of magintude bigger economically than the whole entertaintment industry. RIAA already was stupid enough to make enemies of telcos (with that Verizon lawsut). The tech industry was bending themselves over to court Hollywood because the common wisdom was that the content is going to be what people will pay for. Wrong. Content-based dotcoms died, and people still pay for Internet connectivity, in ever-increasing numbers. And spend more and more time in front of computers instead of TVs. Simply because live people on the other end of the wire are infinitely more interesting than the prechewed corporate crud called "content". So I think we'll see some fireworks on the legal front, but the outcome is already clear - unfiltered connectivity is what consumers wish to pay for, not the sanitized disneys. --vadim
Current thread:
- Re: FW: Re: Is there a line of defense against Distributed Reflective attacks?, (continued)
- Re: FW: Re: Is there a line of defense against Distributed Reflective attacks? Christopher L. Morrow (Jan 20)
- Re: FW: Re: Is there a line of defense against Distributed Reflective attacks? Scott Granados (Jan 20)
- Re: FW: Re: Is there a line of defense against Distributed Reflective attacks? Avleen Vig (Jan 20)
- Re: FW: Re: Is there a line of defense against Distributed Reflective attacks? Vadim Antonov (Jan 20)
- Re: FW: Re: Is there a line of defense against Distributed Reflective attacks? E.B. Dreger (Jan 20)
- Re: FW: Re: Is there a line of defense against Distributed Reflective attacks? todd glassey (Jan 21)
- Re: FW: Re: Is there a line of defense against Distributed Reflective attacks? Vadim Antonov (Jan 21)
- Re: FW: Re: Is there a line of defense against Distributed Reflective attacks? todd glassey (Jan 21)
- Re: FW: Re: Is there a line of defense against Distributed Reflective attacks? Andy Dills (Jan 22)
- Re: FW: Re: Is there a line of defense against Distributed Reflective attacks? todd glassey (Jan 22)
- RE: FW: Re: Is there a line of defense against Distributed Reflective attacks? Al Rowland (Jan 22)
- Re: FW: Re: Is there a line of defense against Distributed Reflective attacks? Petri Helenius (Jan 22)
- RE: FW: Re: Is there a line of defense against Distributed Reflective attacks? Chris Parker (Jan 22)
- Re: FW: Re: Is there a line of defense against Distributed Reflective attacks? Max's Lists (Jan 22)
- OT: FW: Re: Is there a line of defense against Distributed Reflective attacks? Al Rowland (Jan 22)
- Re: OT: FW: Re: Is there a line of defense against Distributed Reflective attacks? Chris Parker (Jan 22)
- Re: OT: FW: Re: Is there a line of defense against Distributed Reflective attacks? Scott Granados (Jan 22)
- OT: Re: FW: Re: Is there a line of defense against Distributed Reflective attacks? Petri Helenius (Jan 22)
- Re: OT: Re: FW: Re: Is there a line of defense against Distributed Reflective attacks? Marshall Eubanks (Jan 22)
- Re: OT: Re: FW: Re: Is there a line of defense against Distributed Reflective attacks? Petri Helenius (Jan 23)
- Re: FW: Re: Is there a line of defense against Distributed Reflective attacks? Vijay Gill (Jan 22)